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From: Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP>
Subject: Re: Heartbleed
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 22:35:47 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2014-04-17T22:35:47+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <lipl03$oir$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: fad3116c-9b03-47e2-807b-9c28d9b2c2a8@googlegroups.com

On 2014-04-17, Alan Jump <alan.jump@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:51:34 PM UTC-7, Shark8 wrote:
>> Is there a reason that C as the 'core' component would be any better 
>> 
>> than, say, FORTH?
>

Are there FORTH compilers for every platform a C compiler runs on ?

If you want to implement a mainstream library such as OpenSSL in a new
safer language (such as Oberon-14), then your new library needs to be
compilable on every platform the C version of OpenSSL is currently
compilable on.

That means your compiler (ie: Oberon-14) for this new library needs to
be written in a language which allows it to run on the same platform as
the platform's existing C compiler [*].

If it isn't then it won't get used (or at least in any meaningful way)
because people will just use the version of the OpenSSL library which
_does_ build on all the platforms they want to develop their application
code on.

The only compiler implementation language I can think of which matches
the above criteria is C.

I really don't know how many times I am going to have to repeat this. :-)

If you think I am wrong, then, while telling me I am wrong :-), please
also tell me why Ada isn't in much more wider use than it currently is.

> Not in my mind, since CPUs don't care about the human-readable language...all
> they care about is the bytecode the compiler generates.
>

I hope the above helps explain what the real core issue is here.

[*] (This isn't sufficient, but it's a required pre-requisite. You also
have the additional issue of supported target platforms as well in a
cross compiler setup but that's not a function of the chosen compiler
implementation language.)

Simon.

-- 
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Microsoft: Bringing you 1980s technology to a 21st century world

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2014-04-11  2:39 Heartbleed Charles H. Sampson
2014-04-11  7:59 ` Heartbleed Maciej Sobczak
2014-04-11 10:50   ` Heartbleed Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-04-12  1:46   ` Heartbleed Charles H. Sampson
2014-04-11 12:43 ` Heartbleed kalvin.news
2014-04-11 19:33   ` Heartbleed Simon Clubley
2014-04-12  4:58     ` Heartbleed Shark8
2014-04-12  7:15       ` Heartbleed Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-12  9:28         ` Heartbleed Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-12  9:33         ` Heartbleed Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-12 11:42         ` Heartbleed Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-04-12 15:37           ` Heartbleed Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-12 18:56             ` Heartbleed Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-04-12 20:29               ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-12 20:34               ` Heartbleed Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-12 20:47                 ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-12 20:53                   ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-15 10:02                 ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-15 12:35                   ` Heartbleed Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-12 21:57               ` Heartbleed Niklas Holsti
2014-04-13 13:08                 ` Heartbleed Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-13 13:55                   ` Heartbleed Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-04-13 15:13                     ` Heartbleed Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-04-13 15:36                       ` Heartbleed Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-12 18:39           ` Heartbleed Simon Wright
2014-04-12 19:15             ` Heartbleed Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-04-12 19:18               ` Heartbleed Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-04-12 20:40               ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-12 20:44               ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-12 21:31               ` Heartbleed Niklas Holsti
2014-04-12 14:58         ` Heartbleed Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-04-12 18:28           ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-12 18:22       ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-12 18:38       ` Heartbleed Simon Clubley
2014-04-12 20:24         ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-12 21:48           ` Heartbleed Simon Clubley
2014-04-17  6:15         ` Heartbleed Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-04-17 15:55           ` Heartbleed Shark8
2014-04-17 21:01           ` Heartbleed Simon Clubley
2014-04-17 21:51             ` Heartbleed Shark8
2014-04-17 21:54               ` Heartbleed Alan Jump
2014-04-17 22:02                 ` Heartbleed Adam Beneschan
2014-04-17 22:35                 ` Simon Clubley [this message]
2014-04-17 22:55                   ` Heartbleed Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-18  8:48                     ` Heartbleed Simon Clubley
2014-04-18 18:02                       ` Heartbleed Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-18 20:31                         ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-18 23:16                           ` Heartbleed Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-04-19 18:29                             ` Heartbleed Simon Clubley
2014-04-21 22:50                             ` Heartbleed Randy Brukardt
2014-04-18  1:38                   ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-18 14:59                     ` Heartbleed Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-18 17:12                       ` Heartbleed Alan Browne
2014-04-18 17:30                       ` Heartbleed J-P. Rosen
2014-04-18 18:04                         ` Heartbleed Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-18 18:34                           ` Heartbleed Simon Clubley
2014-04-18 20:45                             ` Heartbleed Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-18 21:35                             ` Heartbleed Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-04-18 22:20                               ` Heartbleed Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-18 22:41                                 ` Heartbleed Adam Beneschan
2014-04-19 15:53                                   ` Heartbleed Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-04-18 18:37                           ` Heartbleed Alan Browne
2014-04-18 20:45                             ` Heartbleed Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-18 21:06                               ` Heartbleed Alan Browne
2014-04-18 22:20                                 ` Heartbleed Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-19 14:04                                   ` Heartbleed Alan Browne
2014-04-18 20:49                             ` Heartbleed Shark8
2014-04-18 21:07                               ` Heartbleed Alan Browne
2014-04-18 22:56                           ` Heartbleed Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-19  4:27                             ` Heartbleed tmoran
2014-04-18 21:17                   ` Heartbleed Shark8
2014-04-19 18:59                     ` Heartbleed Simon Clubley
2014-04-19 19:21                       ` Heartbleed Shark8
2014-04-18  1:29             ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-18 10:42               ` Heartbleed J-P. Rosen
2014-04-19 11:50         ` Oberon and Wirthian languages (was: Heartbleed) Ludovic Brenta
2014-04-19 12:46           ` Oberon and Wirthian languages Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 19:17             ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-19 19:25               ` Shark8
2014-04-19 16:35           ` Oberon and Wirthian languages (was: Heartbleed) Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:32             ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-19 22:30               ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-04-19 22:35                 ` Oberon and Wirthian languages Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:53           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 17:32           ` Simon Wright
2014-04-19 17:35           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-19 18:06             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 18:53             ` Shark8
2014-04-19 20:08               ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-19 22:16                 ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-21 13:06           ` Oberon and Wirthian languages (was: Heartbleed) Simon Clubley
2014-04-21 18:13             ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-21 18:45               ` Oberon and Wirthian languages Shark8
2014-04-21 23:26                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-22  0:21                   ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-22  5:48                   ` Shark8
2014-04-21 18:16             ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-22  0:34               ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-22  3:01                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-22 23:31                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-22  6:41                 ` Simon Wright
2014-04-22 12:25                   ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-22 19:13                     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-22 20:46                       ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-22 23:38                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-23 12:16                           ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-23 20:55                             ` Simon Wright
2014-04-24  0:20                               ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-24 13:05                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-24 18:51                                   ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-24 20:11                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-25  1:37                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-25 21:33                                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-25 21:55                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-25 23:16                                             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-04-26  6:31                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-26  0:23                                             ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-26  2:46                                             ` Shark8
2014-04-26  2:52                                               ` Shark8
2014-04-26  6:37                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-26  6:19                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-26  6:35                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-26  6:42                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-26 17:15                                                 ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-26  6:29                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-26  7:36                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-26  7:52                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-26  8:09                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-26 18:32                                                 ` Simon Clubley
2014-05-08  2:36                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-08 17:48                                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-05-08 19:22                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-26  7:23                                             ` Simon Wright
2014-04-26  9:27                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-26 12:34                                                 ` Simon Wright
2014-04-27 10:38                                                   ` Simon Wright
2014-04-27 15:36                                                     ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-27 14:26                                               ` Brian Drummond
2014-04-22 23:30                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-23 12:17                   ` Simon Clubley
2014-05-14  9:39         ` Heartbleed gvdschoot
2014-04-12 22:01       ` Heartbleed Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-18 17:58         ` Heartbleed Alan Browne
2014-04-18 17:24 ` Heartbleed - attacks? Alan Browne
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