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From: "J-P. Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr>
Subject: Redispatching (was: Your wish list for Ada 202X)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:30:26 +0200
Date: 2014-04-16T11:30:26+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <liliji$mt1$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <br6mfeF4nefU1@mid.individual.net>

Le 16/04/2014 08:32, Niklas Holsti a écrit :
> As I understand them, both Dmitry and Randy would consider the
> class-wide form a better solution, but it works only if you never need
> to override these class-wide operations for any descendant types.
> 
> I am seldom sure about that (never needing to override, not even in the
> future), so I prefer to have the operations as primitive rather than
> class-wide, and consequently to use re-dispatch.

Actually, it's a different use case. Not much discussed in the
litterature, because only Ada has a clear distinction between methods
(primitive operations) and class-wide operations.

A method is for the case where each type has its own way (method!) of
doing things: you don't paint a button like you paint a text.

A class-wide operation is usually a combination of (dispatching) calls
to methods, to build higher level services; it's for the case where you
want to make sure that all objects use the same algorithm; for example,
when you move a widget, you want to guarantee that it is erased from its
current position and repainted somewhere else, and that nobody will
redefine move to do something else! It also ensures that should the
algorithm change, the change needs to be done in only one place.

As far as redispatching is concerned: since a method is linked to a
single class, there should be no redispatching. Feeling a need for
redispatching in a method is often a symptom that a class-wide operation
is a better fit.

And yes, chosing between methods and class-wide ops is not trivial and
requires some thoughts; once you have a clear separation between these,
it makes development a lot easier.

Redispatching is mostly advocated by users of other languages that do
not have class-wide operations, and use methods for what should be
class-wide. In that case, failing to redispatch leads to incorrect
behaviour.

-- 
J-P. Rosen
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Thread overview: 240+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-25 21:41 Your wish list for Ada 202X Stoik
2014-03-25 22:14 ` Simon Wright
2014-03-26  6:25 ` Shark8
2014-03-26 20:41   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-27  9:20     ` Shark8
2014-03-27 21:50       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-28  1:54         ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-03-28  8:17         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-28 21:27           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-29  9:44             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-31 23:55               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-01  8:20                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-01 10:51                   ` G.B.
2014-04-01 12:40                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-02 22:39                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-03  2:59                     ` Shark8
2014-04-05 11:10                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-08  1:15                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-08  9:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-08 10:15                           ` G.B.
2014-04-08 10:56                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-08 23:37                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-09 10:40                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-10  3:28                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-10  8:42                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-10 21:52                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-10 15:31                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-10 22:08                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-11  6:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-11 21:34                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-10 22:39                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-11  6:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-11 21:44                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-12  8:45                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-14 23:39                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-15  7:55                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-15 21:27                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-16  7:52                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-16 21:53                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-17  7:39                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-17 17:29                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-17 19:54                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-11 19:04                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-11 20:43                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-11 22:04                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-12  8:20                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-12  8:39                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-12  9:38                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-12  9:55                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-12 10:45                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-14 23:45                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-12 10:17                                               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-12 10:48                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-13 19:43                                           ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-13 21:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-18 19:10                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-18 21:18                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19  7:35                                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19  8:19                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19  8:39                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19  9:08                                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19 10:06                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19 13:53                                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19 14:21                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19 18:28                                                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19  9:05                                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19 10:18                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-15  0:08                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-15  7:21                                               ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-15 21:20                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-16  6:32                                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-16  7:24                                                   ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-16  7:31                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-16  9:30                                                   ` J-P. Rosen [this message]
2014-04-16 19:53                                                     ` Redispatching Niklas Holsti
2014-04-17  7:26                                                       ` Redispatching Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-17  8:22                                                         ` Redispatching Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-18 20:08                                                         ` Redispatching Niklas Holsti
2014-04-18 20:51                                                           ` Redispatching Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19  9:17                                                             ` Redispatching Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 10:58                                                               ` Redispatching Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19 11:21                                                                 ` Redispatching Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-17  8:53                                                       ` Redispatching J-P. Rosen
2014-04-16 21:44                                               ` Your wish list for Ada 202X Niklas Holsti
2014-04-16 22:27                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-18 19:59                                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-18 21:28                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-19  8:14                                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-21 23:09                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-22  6:08                                                           ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-22  8:02                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22  8:30                                                             ` Shark8
2014-04-22  9:14                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22 23:23                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-23  7:45                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 19:43                                                                     ` Shark8
2014-04-23 20:00                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 21:28                                                                         ` Shark8
2014-04-24  7:30                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-24 15:20                                                                             ` Shark8
2014-04-24 16:19                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-24 16:50                                                                                 ` Shark8
2014-04-24 16:57                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19 10:02                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-03-27 22:06       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-28  5:23         ` Shark8
2014-03-26  8:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-26  9:02   ` J Kimball
2014-03-26  9:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-26 10:30       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2014-03-26 15:11         ` G.B.
2014-03-26 21:55       ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-26 15:03     ` G.B.
2014-03-26 22:00     ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-26 16:01   ` Anh Vo
2014-03-26 17:04     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-27 15:03       ` Dan'l Miller
2014-03-27 16:02         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-26 16:17   ` Stoik
2014-03-26 17:15     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-26 18:04     ` G.B.
2014-03-26 18:47       ` Simon Wright
2014-03-26 19:51         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-03-27 14:43       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-03-27 22:50         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-28  5:22           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-03-28  7:54           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-03-28 21:22             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-26 21:06     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-26 23:15       ` J Kimball
2014-03-27  8:26       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-27 10:54         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-03-27 15:42           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-27 21:35         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-29 14:26       ` Tero Koskinen
2014-04-29 15:39         ` Dan'l Miller
2014-04-29 17:10         ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-29 17:13           ` Tero Koskinen
2014-04-29 19:42             ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-30 12:28 ` francois_fabien
2014-03-30 13:40   ` Luke A. Guest
2014-03-30 14:24     ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-30 18:48       ` Luke A. Guest
2014-03-30 19:22         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-30 14:28     ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-30 15:14       ` Peter Chapin
2014-03-30 18:48         ` Luke A. Guest
2014-03-30 18:48       ` Luke A. Guest
2014-03-30 23:41         ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-31 15:39     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-03-30 13:46   ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-30 19:02   ` Pascal Obry
2014-03-30 19:33     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-30 19:59       ` Pascal Obry
2014-03-31 15:13         ` Stoik
2014-03-31 16:22           ` Pascal Obry
2014-03-31 16:47           ` Pascal Obry
2014-03-31 18:59           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-05  8:28       ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-05 11:06         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-05 11:20           ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-02 16:21 ` Britt
2014-04-02 22:53   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-03  0:01     ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-03  5:51       ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-03  6:27         ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-03 17:18           ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-03 19:11             ` Dan'l Miller
2014-04-03 19:18             ` Dan'l Miller
2014-04-03 21:17             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-04  0:29               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-04  8:20                 ` Stefan.Lucks
2014-04-04 19:52                   ` J Kimball
2014-04-04 20:43                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-04 20:54                       ` Shark8
2014-04-04 21:47                       ` Luke A. Guest
2014-04-08  0:47                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-08  4:43                           ` J Kimball
2014-04-08  5:25                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-08 23:44                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-04 20:53                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-04 23:25                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-03  6:30         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-03  0:06     ` Britt
2014-04-03 15:15   ` Robert A Duff
2014-04-03 20:19     ` Qun-Ying
2014-04-03 22:56       ` Robert A Duff
2014-04-04 18:31 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-04-04 21:08   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-05  3:39   ` Peter Chapin
2014-04-04 20:27 ` Shark8
2014-04-14  4:59 ` J Kimball
2014-04-14  6:54   ` Shark8
2014-04-15  0:22     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-15  0:18   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-15  5:28     ` J Kimball
2014-04-14 22:36 ` Shark8
2014-04-15  8:41   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-18  0:55 ` Robert Love
2014-04-18 11:39   ` Simon Wright
2014-04-23 12:55 ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 13:57   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 14:32     ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 15:43       ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 16:31         ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 16:42           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 17:51             ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 21:29               ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-23 22:00                 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 23:48                   ` Shark8
2014-04-24  5:28                     ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 20:11             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-23 20:03           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-24  9:08             ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 18:02         ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-23 20:14           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-24  9:16             ` björn lundin
2014-04-24 11:33               ` G.B.
2014-04-24 12:11                 ` björn lundin
2014-04-24 12:32                   ` G.B.
2014-04-23 14:38     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 15:46       ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 16:27         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 16:40           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 17:39             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 21:40               ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-24  7:42                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-24  9:18                   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 14:06   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 14:44     ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 20:28       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-24 10:31         ` björn lundin
2014-04-25  1:22           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-25  2:19             ` Shark8
2014-04-25  7:31               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 14:58     ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 18:05   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-23 19:48   ` Shark8
2014-04-24  9:03     ` G.B.
2014-04-25  1:27       ` Randy Brukardt
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