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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: If not Ada, what else...
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:47:48 +0200
Date: 2015-07-11T10:47:48+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <lfm61cexjrs6$.v7349ugwm8k6.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mnqhqk$ker$1@dont-email.me

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:51:07 +0200, Georg Bauhaus wrote:

> On 11.07.15 04:31, Paul Rubin wrote:
> 
>> Historically AFAIK range types in Ada were not statically checked.
>> Checking them is very complicated and can be partly automated these days
>> with SMT solvers, but in general you'd need proof assistants and lots of
>> manual effort.
> 
> The expressly bounded, named types of Ada to me are fundamental to sorting
> things out. In many ways, for example: how could one find a function
> from integers into integers to be from N -> {0, 1, ..., 10}, actually,
> if there was no better way to specify the set of values in a type than
> by saying "int"? Knowing more about the sets continues transitively, and
> this knowledge is reflected in the definitions of user defined fundamental
> types (with ranges etc.).

Partially. Ada 83 didn't make it fully static, because it disregarded
operations. It is not enough to declare a range or, more generally, the set
of values to define a type. Because type includes operations. E.g. the
numbers 1..10 may not have unary minus, as they don't have inverses.

What Ada 83 did to resolve the problem was less typing. It relaxed
contracts to uphold them. Constraint_Error was added to the contracts of
all operations. Ada simplified issues with intermediate results by making
them of the base type (C used type promotion for this). This was a
compromise, but compromises never win.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

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2011-04-20 10:39 If not Ada, what else Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-20 10:51 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-04-21  8:47   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-20 11:53 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-04-21  8:46   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-23  2:08     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-21 17:19 ` Robert Matthews
2011-04-21 19:02   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-21 19:25   ` Florian Weimer
2011-04-22 15:50     ` Robert Matthews
2011-04-22 17:49       ` Brad Cantrell
2011-04-23  2:20         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-23  9:55           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-23 11:17             ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-22 21:39       ` Florian Weimer
2011-04-23  2:26         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-23  9:52 ` björn lundin
2011-04-23 11:50 ` Piotr Trojanek
2011-04-23 12:23   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-23 14:30     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-23 15:04       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-23 16:16     ` Piotr Trojanek
2011-04-28 12:55   ` C++/cmake project, injecting Ada... (was Re: If not Ada, what else...) Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-28 16:34     ` C++/cmake project, injecting Ada Ludovic Brenta
2011-04-29  8:17       ` Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-29 12:45         ` stefan-lucks
2015-07-02 10:44         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2011-05-28 17:33     ` C++/cmake project, injecting Ada... (was Re: If not Ada, what else...) Dirk Heinrichs
2015-07-03 19:21 ` If not Ada, what else luvhed
2015-07-03 20:50   ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-04  8:19 ` Rod Kay
2015-07-08 18:11 ` jm.tarrasa
2015-07-08 20:33   ` Anh Vo
2015-07-09  6:36     ` jm.tarrasa
2015-07-08 22:15   ` David Botton
2015-07-09  7:28     ` jm.tarrasa
2015-07-09  9:54       ` G.B.
2015-07-09 12:57       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-07-09 18:25       ` David Botton
2015-07-09 21:15         ` Bob Duff
2015-07-09 22:23           ` David Botton
2015-07-09 22:39             ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-10  0:20               ` David Botton
2015-07-10  4:26                 ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-10 15:01                   ` David Botton
2015-07-10 16:07                     ` David Botton
2015-07-10 17:39                       ` Bob Duff
2015-07-10 18:22                     ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-10 19:10                       ` David Botton
2015-07-10 19:43                         ` Patrick Noffke
2015-07-11 10:46                           ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-11 10:59                             ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-11 13:41                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-11 14:11                                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-13 14:02                             ` Patrick Noffke
2015-07-13 14:16                               ` David Botton
2015-07-13 14:54                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2015-07-16 20:19                                 ` Serge Robyns
2015-07-17  1:50                                   ` David Botton
2015-07-17 17:07                                     ` Anh Vo
2015-07-17 21:28                                       ` Serge Robyns
2015-07-17 22:53                                         ` Anh Vo
2015-07-19 14:31                                       ` David Botton
2015-07-19 16:20                                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-19 20:55                                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-19 21:15                                             ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-20 16:08                                               ` Tero Koskinen
2015-07-20 17:31                                                 ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-21  1:16                                                   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-07-21  3:09                                                     ` Shark8
2015-07-21 12:46                                                       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-07-21  5:43                                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-21 12:47                                                     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-07-21 12:55                                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-19 22:38                                           ` David Botton
2015-07-21  6:30                                     ` Gour
2015-07-21 16:24                                       ` David Botton
2015-07-21 17:29                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2015-07-21 18:51                                           ` Simon Wright
2015-07-21 19:36                                             ` David Botton
2015-07-22  8:44                                               ` Pascal Obry
2015-07-22 12:00                                               ` Jean François Martinez
2015-07-27 22:59                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28  7:00                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-28  7:22                                                     ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-28 10:36                                                       ` darkestkhan
2015-07-28 10:58                                                       ` G.B.
2015-07-28 20:33                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28 10:40                                                   ` darkestkhan
2015-07-29  7:30                                                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-07-29  8:55                                                       ` Simon Wright
2015-07-29 12:38                                                   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 13:06                                                     ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 15:41                                                     ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-29 17:01                                                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-29 18:27                                                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-29 18:52                                                           ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-29 22:18                                                             ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30  6:23                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 16:48                                                                 ` David Botton
2015-07-30 18:10                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-29 19:18                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-29 19:42                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30  4:54                                                               ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30  6:15                                                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2015-07-30  6:34                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30  6:47                                                                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30  7:20                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 23:13                                                                       ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-29 17:07                                                       ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-07-29 17:47                                                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-08-21 23:03                                                           ` Waldek Hebisch
2015-08-22  3:24                                                             ` Paul Rubin
2015-08-23 16:26                                                               ` Waldek Hebisch
2015-08-23 17:18                                                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-23 17:31                                                                   ` Waldek Hebisch
2015-08-23 19:32                                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-23 23:01                                                               ` Waldek Hebisch
2015-07-29 19:32                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30  5:17                                                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30  7:38                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30 18:26                                                             ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30 18:37                                                               ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-31  7:14                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30 10:59                                                     ` darkestkhan
2015-08-19 22:19                                                 ` rriehle
2015-08-19 22:58                                                   ` Anh Vo
2015-08-19 23:32                                                     ` rriehle
2015-08-20  1:08                                                       ` Peter Chapin
2015-08-21 15:14                                                       ` Anh Vo
2015-08-21 16:07                                                         ` Anh Vo
2015-08-21 17:17                                                           ` Patrick Noffke
2015-07-21 19:51                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 21:06                                               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-21 21:51                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 22:55                                                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-22  7:26                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22  9:05                                                       ` Mart van de Wege
2015-07-22 10:27                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22  7:01                                                   ` Simon Wright
2015-07-22  7:35                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-27 23:02                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-27 22:44                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28  7:30                                                   ` Simon Wright
2015-07-28 20:39                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-29  7:12                                                       ` Simon Wright
2015-07-29 11:11                                                         ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-07-29 19:31                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-22 12:53                                               ` Vincent
2015-07-22 13:59                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 20:05                                             ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-21 21:02                                               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-21 23:40                                               ` Shark8
2015-07-22 12:58                                               ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-07-22 13:40                                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-22 14:29                                                   ` Vincent
2015-07-21 19:30                                           ` David Botton
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2015-08-21  5:21                                       ` Shark8
2015-08-21 17:39                                       ` David Botton
2015-07-11  2:31                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-11  6:00                           ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-11  7:51                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-11  8:47                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2015-07-21  1:34                           ` Luke A. Guest
2015-07-27  9:09                       ` Assertions in SPARK (Was: If not Ada, what else...) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-07-27 10:56                         ` G.B.
2015-07-27 21:59                           ` Peter Chapin
2015-07-11 11:10                   ` If not Ada, what else Pascal Obry
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