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From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" <spam.jrcarter.not@spam.acm.org>
Subject: Re: Ada advocacy
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:49:22 -0700
Date: 2013-08-30T10:49:22-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <kvqlv5$255j$1@adenine.netfront.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wccli3j2k71.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>

On 08/30/2013 09:54 AM, Robert A Duff wrote:
> "Jeffrey R. Carter" <spam.jrcarter.not@spam.acm.org> writes:
>
>> That's not quite right. P can also be executing E1 or E2, in which case
>> it is not "willing" to do either. T will end up at (***) in both of
>> those cases as well.
>
> I don't think you mean "P can also be executing...", you mean "some task
> can also be executing...".

If we're going to use informal, active phrasing such as "P is willing" we can also say "P is executing" without fear of 
misunderstanding.

> But anyway, no, unless I'm missing something, there are only two
> possible states.  If some task is executing the body of P.E1, then P
> must be locked.  So if another task comes along and tries to call one of
> the entries, it will try to lock P, and will not proceed until the first
> task leaves E1.  At that point, the second task will check the barrier[*],
> and find it in one of the two possible states.[**]

That's even worse. Task T is delayed waiting for the other task to complete execution of P.E1, which can be a long time. 
Those of us who are not language lawyers (especially those who started with Ada 83) expect a conditional entry call to 
send the calling task to the else part immediately if the entry call cannot proceed. (Maybe that's not what the language 
rules say, but that's how it's usually presented.) Once T sees that P is locked, it should go to the else part. If the 
author of T were willing to be delayed waiting to get access to P, T would have used a timed entry call.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time."
Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-20 12:54 Ada advocacy tonyg
2012-03-20 13:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-03-20 14:39 ` Marc C
2012-03-20 15:13   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-03-20 16:34     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-20 16:35       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-20 20:06   ` Shark8
2012-03-20 15:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-20 18:31 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-03-20 21:42 ` anon
2012-03-20 23:05   ` Shark8
2012-03-21  0:32 ` Shark8
2012-03-21  1:58 ` Robert Love
2012-03-21  5:37   ` Per Sandberg
2012-03-25 11:10     ` Peter C. Chapin
2012-03-21  8:59   ` anon
2013-06-17 23:42     ` johannes falcone
2013-06-18  0:09       ` tmoran
2013-06-18  0:14     ` Leo Brewin
2013-06-18  0:59       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-19 19:22         ` johannes falcone
2013-06-19 19:34           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-19 20:16             ` Shark8
2013-06-19 19:36           ` Ludovic Brenta
2013-08-30  7:36             ` johannes falcone
2013-06-18  1:28       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-06-18  5:55         ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-18 17:15           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 17:43             ` Bill Findlay
2013-06-18 19:22               ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 19:30                 ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 13:34             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 14:08               ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 14:13                 ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 21:25               ` J-P. Rosen
2013-08-28  7:45                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-27 22:42               ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-28  7:45               ` Maciej Sobczak
2013-08-28  8:58                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-08-28  9:42                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 11:42                     ` G.B.
2013-08-28 11:59                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 12:49                         ` G.B.
2013-08-28 14:07                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 15:06                             ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2013-08-28 17:30                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 16:44                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 17:25                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 23:33                           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-29  7:15                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-29 14:47                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-29 19:15                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-29 15:28               ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-29 21:43                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 23:52                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-31  0:05                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-31  1:42                       ` Shark8
2013-08-31  2:57                       ` Shark8
2013-08-31  9:00                         ` Dirk Craeynest
2013-08-31  1:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-09-02  7:13                   ` Egil H H
2013-09-02  8:41                     ` G.B.
2013-09-02 16:37                       ` Egil H H
2013-08-29 15:46               ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-30  4:47                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 16:54                   ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-30 17:49                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter [this message]
2013-08-30 22:41                       ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-31  0:02                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-31 14:47                           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19  7:29           ` nevillednz
2013-08-27 13:39             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-09-02 18:45           ` Martin
2013-06-17 23:39   ` johannes falcone
2012-03-21 10:44 ` tonyg
2013-06-18  0:07   ` johannes falcone
2012-03-23 16:13 ` KK6GM
2013-06-13 15:33 ` david
2013-06-13 15:34 ` david
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-26 20:33 Ada Advocacy Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 21:20 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-26 22:28   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 23:04     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-27 16:15       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-27 23:06         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28 10:39           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-26 23:55   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-27  0:44   ` Anisimkov
2003-08-27  8:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-27 20:12       ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-27 23:09         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-29 16:13           ` Jon S. Anthony
2003-08-29 18:15             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28  8:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-27  8:29     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28  5:29       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2003-09-01 21:26   ` Dave Thompson
2003-08-27  6:56 ` David Holm
2003-08-27 16:00 ` Rod Chapman
2003-08-29  6:38 ` Adrian Hoe
2003-08-29  9:34   ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-01  5:45     ` Adrian Hoe
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