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From: Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP>
Subject: Re: Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist?
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:50:20 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2013-08-27T16:50:20+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <kvilcc$89p$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: op.w2hcuhhcule2fv@cardamome

On 2013-08-27, Yannick Duchêne <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Le Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:04:12 +0200, Dufr <dufriz@gmail.com> a écrit:
>
>> The reasons you guys gave in favor of Ada are all pretty solid, no  
>> doubt. And yet, I am not fully convinced yet, because:
>>
>> a hobbiyst learner needs a lot of support, and from what I have seen  
>> Object Pascal (in the form of Free Pascal) has a much larger community  
>> of enthusiasts than Ada, with a very active forum.
>
> Free Pascal, whose semantic depends on compile time option? Not sure it's  
> a good bet? (not to mention the documentation which is not always in sync  
> with what the compiler really do).
>

The problem is that the good support is more important to some learners
than a technically better language.

I've had a look at the Free Pascal support channels in the past and they
appear to be very friendly (for the most part) and understanding of what
a person wants to achieve.

Here in comp.lang.ada, people tend to be rather standoffish and can come
out with suggestions (for example, embedded hardware platforms) that are
completely out of touch with what hobbyists are wanting to do.

Such attitudes, which seem to be rather common here, can be _very_
off-putting to people who have decided they want to learn a Wirth type
language as part of a hobby but are not sure which one to choose.

In some ways, the Ada community around here can be it's own worse enemy
at times.

Simon.

-- 
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Microsoft: Bringing you 1980s technology to a 21st century world

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-27 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-04  6:59 Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist? Dufr
2013-07-04  9:12 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2013-07-04 11:47 ` gautier_niouzes
2013-07-04 15:50   ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 14:34   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 23:18     ` Oliver Kleinke
2013-07-04 11:48 ` john
2013-07-04 14:00   ` AdaMagica
2013-07-04 14:22     ` john
2013-07-04 14:31       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-07-04 18:18         ` Niklas Holsti
2013-07-04 19:04           ` J-P. Rosen
2013-07-04 20:24             ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-07-04 20:36               ` Shark8
2013-07-05 21:20               ` Robert A Duff
2013-07-05 23:39                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-08-27 14:47           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 23:24             ` Oliver Kleinke
2013-07-04 18:49         ` john
2013-07-04 15:49 ` Bill Findlay
2013-07-04 16:00 ` Lucretia
2013-07-04 17:59 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-07-05 21:39 ` Robert A Duff
2013-07-06  7:04 ` Dufr
2013-07-06 15:53   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-07-06 17:41   ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-07-06 18:59     ` Shark8
2013-07-06 18:36   ` Ludovic Brenta
2013-07-06 22:19   ` Maurizio Tomasi
2013-07-07  8:43     ` Mike H
2013-07-08 13:53   ` Marc C
2013-08-27 14:50   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 16:50     ` Simon Clubley [this message]
2013-08-27 17:02       ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 20:27       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 12:05         ` Simon Clubley
2013-08-27 21:08       ` Gour
2013-08-27 22:57         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28  8:54           ` Gour
2013-08-28  9:35             ` Web-UI for Ada applications (Was: Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-08-28 10:48               ` Web-UI for Ada applications Gour
2013-08-28 11:32                 ` Simon Clubley
2013-08-28 11:54                   ` Gour
2013-08-28 12:05                   ` G.B.
2013-08-28 16:13                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 15:54                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 14:08                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-08-28 15:34               ` Web-UI for Ada applications (Was: Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist?) Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-29  9:51                 ` Web-UI for Ada applications Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-08-27 23:17         ` Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist? Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 23:37         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 23:40           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28  0:04             ` Oliver Kleinke
2013-08-28  6:28           ` Simon Wright
2013-09-01  3:04           ` Maurizio Tomasi
2013-09-01  3:48             ` Shark8
2013-08-28  8:02         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28  9:01           ` Gour
2013-08-28  9:55             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 10:42               ` Gour
2013-07-07  4:14 ` Patrick
2013-08-27 14:23 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2016-03-14 15:29 ` girobusan
2016-03-14 18:19   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-03-14 18:57     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-03-14 23:52       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-03-15 10:51       ` Bob Butler
2016-03-15 21:51         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-03-16 11:07           ` Bob Butler
2016-03-16 21:22             ` Ludovic Brenta
2016-03-17  1:08               ` brbarkstrom
2016-03-17  7:59               ` Bob Butler
2016-03-17  8:36                 ` gautier_niouzes
2016-03-15  9:04     ` egarrulo
2016-03-15  9:34       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-03-15  9:56         ` egarrulo
2016-03-15 10:23           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-03-15 10:31             ` egarrulo
2016-03-15 10:53               ` egarrulo
2016-03-15 13:18                 ` G.B.
2016-03-15 13:52                   ` egarrulo
2016-03-15 14:28                     ` G.B.
2016-03-15 14:31                       ` egarrulo
2016-03-17 14:59                         ` sjaniska
2016-03-15 17:50                       ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2016-03-16 15:43                     ` Jeremiah
2016-03-15 14:38                   ` G.B.
2016-03-15 17:33               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
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