From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Ada standard and maximum line lengths
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:24:02 -0600
Date: 2013-01-30T17:24:02-06:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <keca2j$uha$1@munin.nbi.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wccfw1iheq9.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com
"Robert A Duff" <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote in message
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> I'd prefer not to have such built-in limits. The fact that I've
> never seen an identifier longer than 73 characters doesn't change
> my mind. To argue for a built-in limit of 200 characters, I think
> you have to not only argue that "nobody needs lines longer than that",
> but also argue that there is some important advantage (efficiency?
> simplicity?), which I don't see here.
There is an effciency advantage, but whether it is important today I can't
say. Specifically, the position value for a line can be limited to 8-bits if
you limit lines to 250 characters. Having such a limit reduces the size of
writes done by our compiler's first pass by roughly 15%, and given that the
compiler was completely disk-bound, that effectively reduced the runtime of
that pass by a corresponding amount (it also saved a similar amount of time
in later passes reading the data back in). Whether that's still true on
current machines I don't know (it seems likely that there is still some cost
for reading/writing 15% more data that would 98% of the time carry no
information). (I probably wouldn't architect a new compiler like Janus/Ada
is, as memory savings is not an important criteria today, but I still
wouldn't like wasting significant amounts of memory (line/position
information being stored in almost every symbol table entry) to carry almost
no information.
Randy.
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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-01-28 5:02 Ada standard and maximum line lengths Lucretia
2013-01-28 6:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-28 6:28 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-01-28 8:05 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-28 16:42 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-01-28 20:22 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-28 20:46 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-28 21:29 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 1:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-01-29 6:15 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-29 10:25 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 11:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-29 12:11 ` Simon Wright
2013-01-29 12:31 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 12:37 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 15:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-29 16:58 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 17:51 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-29 18:18 ` Shark8
2013-01-29 19:54 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 23:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-30 9:18 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-30 9:51 ` Simon Wright
2013-01-30 15:28 ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-30 23:24 ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2013-01-31 2:16 ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-31 9:10 ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-01-31 9:30 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-31 9:51 ` Simon Wright
2013-01-31 10:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-31 18:02 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-01-31 23:54 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-02-01 9:15 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-02-01 23:13 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-02-02 1:24 ` Lucretia
2013-02-02 14:12 ` Robert A Duff
2013-02-05 2:09 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-01-31 9:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-30 9:37 ` Simon Wright
2013-01-30 12:02 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-29 23:47 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-01-30 7:24 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-30 10:09 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-29 20:36 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 21:01 ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-29 21:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-28 8:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-28 10:02 ` Maciej Sobczak
2013-01-28 11:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-28 13:28 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-28 15:14 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-28 16:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-28 15:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-28 13:49 ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-29 2:09 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-01-29 18:46 ` Lucretia
2013-01-29 20:53 ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-29 21:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-30 3:22 ` Lucretia
2013-01-30 9:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-30 23:28 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-02-01 1:48 ` Shark8
2013-01-29 21:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-29 21:53 ` Adam Beneschan
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