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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Ada standard and maximum line lengths
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:24:02 -0600
Date: 2013-01-30T17:24:02-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <keca2j$uha$1@munin.nbi.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wccfw1iheq9.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com

"Robert A Duff" <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote in message 
news:wccfw1iheq9.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com...
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> I'd prefer not to have such built-in limits.  The fact that I've
> never seen an identifier longer than 73 characters doesn't change
> my mind.  To argue for a built-in limit of 200 characters, I think
> you have to not only argue that "nobody needs lines longer than that",
> but also argue that there is some important advantage (efficiency?
> simplicity?), which I don't see here.

There is an effciency advantage, but whether it is important today I can't 
say. Specifically, the position value for a line can be limited to 8-bits if 
you limit lines to 250 characters. Having such a limit reduces the size of 
writes done by our compiler's first pass by roughly 15%, and given that the 
compiler was completely disk-bound, that effectively reduced the runtime of 
that pass by a corresponding amount (it also saved a similar amount of time 
in later passes reading the data back in). Whether that's still true on 
current machines I don't know (it seems likely that there is still some cost 
for reading/writing 15% more data that would 98% of the time carry no 
information). (I probably wouldn't architect a new compiler like Janus/Ada 
is, as memory savings is not an important criteria today, but I still 
wouldn't like wasting significant amounts of memory (line/position 
information being stored in almost every symbol table entry) to carry almost 
no information.

                                                Randy.





  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-30 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-28  5:02 Ada standard and maximum line lengths Lucretia
2013-01-28  6:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-28  6:28 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-01-28  8:05   ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-28 16:42     ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-01-28 20:22       ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-28 20:46         ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-28 21:29           ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29  1:42             ` Randy Brukardt
2013-01-29  6:15             ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-29 10:25               ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 11:31                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-29 12:11                   ` Simon Wright
2013-01-29 12:31                   ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 12:37                     ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 15:29                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-29 16:58                       ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 17:51                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-29 18:18                           ` Shark8
2013-01-29 19:54                           ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 23:12                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-30  9:18                               ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-30  9:51                                 ` Simon Wright
2013-01-30 15:28                                 ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-30 23:24                                   ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2013-01-31  2:16                                     ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-31  9:10                                       ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-01-31  9:30                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-31  9:51                                           ` Simon Wright
2013-01-31 10:56                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-31 18:02                                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-01-31 23:54                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-02-01  9:15                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2013-02-01 23:13                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-02-02  1:24                                             ` Lucretia
2013-02-02 14:12                                               ` Robert A Duff
2013-02-05  2:09                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-01-31  9:03                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-30  9:37                               ` Simon Wright
2013-01-30 12:02                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-29 23:47                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-01-30  7:24                               ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-30 10:09                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-29 20:36                 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-29 21:01                   ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-29 21:14                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-28  8:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-28 10:02   ` Maciej Sobczak
2013-01-28 11:57     ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-01-28 13:28       ` Niklas Holsti
2013-01-28 15:14       ` J-P. Rosen
2013-01-28 16:13       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-28 15:13     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-28 13:49 ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-29  2:09   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-01-29 18:46 ` Lucretia
2013-01-29 20:53   ` Robert A Duff
2013-01-29 21:22   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-30  3:22     ` Lucretia
2013-01-30  9:49       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-30 23:28         ` Randy Brukardt
2013-02-01  1:48       ` Shark8
2013-01-29 21:29   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-01-29 21:53   ` Adam Beneschan
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