* Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be @ 2012-06-18 18:12 Adam Beneschan 2012-06-18 18:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Adam Beneschan @ 2012-06-18 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of text-handling support: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/beard-gallery/ -- Adam ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-18 18:12 Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be Adam Beneschan @ 2012-06-18 18:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2012-06-20 5:20 ` quiet_lad 2012-06-19 23:04 ` ggsub ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2012-06-18 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT), Adam Beneschan wrote: > Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of text-handling support: > > http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/beard-gallery/ A bearded anecdote (:-)) I think it was influenced by very rusty Bald-Hairy Theory of Russian Leaders: http://www.stophairlossnow.co.uk/News/Bald-or-hairy-rule-of-thumb-for-Russian-leaders-10047.htm http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/05/08/the-bald-hairy-theory-of-russian-leaders which could be a borrowing itself. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-18 18:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2012-06-20 5:20 ` quiet_lad 2012-06-20 7:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: quiet_lad @ 2012-06-20 5:20 UTC (permalink / raw) On Jun 18, 11:37 am, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT), Adam Beneschan wrote: > > Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of text-handling support: > > >http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/beard-gallery/ > > A bearded anecdote (:-)) > > I think it was influenced by very rusty Bald-Hairy Theory of Russian > Leaders: > > http://www.stophairlossnow.co.uk/News/Bald-or-hairy-rule-of-thumb-for...http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/05/08/the-bald-hairy-theory-of-russia... > > which could be a borrowing itself. > > -- > Regards, > Dmitry A. Kazakovhttp://www.dmitry-kazakov.de on the regex thing: do you mean the rebol inspired way is better? or that something else is better? making regex not needed? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-20 5:20 ` quiet_lad @ 2012-06-20 7:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2012-06-20 7:23 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:20:33 -0700 (PDT), quiet_lad wrote: > on the regex thing: do you mean the rebol inspired way is better? or > that something else is better? making regex not needed? And in which connection are regular expressions to beards? As for REBOL, I don't know it, it looks similar to BNF, but the key issue are recursion and repetition (to be able to match things like balanced brackets). Iterative patterns have the problem of infinite looping when the iterated sub-pattern may match an empty substring. E.g. a pattern like $[DIGIT] here $ is an "eager" repeater, will never end. The correct one is: DIGIT $DIGIT I played these games in late 80's, before I get convinced that patterns is not an answer. The remnants are here: http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de/match/match.htm -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-18 18:12 Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be Adam Beneschan 2012-06-18 18:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2012-06-19 23:04 ` ggsub 2012-06-20 5:36 ` J-P. Rosen 2012-06-20 5:23 ` quiet_lad 2012-06-20 14:15 ` leonid.dulman 3 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: ggsub @ 2012-06-19 23:04 UTC (permalink / raw) On Monday, June 18, 2012 11:12:20 AM UTC-7, Adam Beneschan wrote: > Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of text-handling support: I guess someone needs to grow a beard and invent a "new" language (that will just happen to be identical to Ada in all but name). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-19 23:04 ` ggsub @ 2012-06-20 5:36 ` J-P. Rosen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: J-P. Rosen @ 2012-06-20 5:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Le 20/06/2012 01:04, ggsub@pragmada.co.cc a �crit : > On Monday, June 18, 2012 11:12:20 AM UTC-7, Adam Beneschan wrote: >> Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of text-handling support: > > I guess someone needs to grow a beard and invent a "new" language (that will just happen to be identical to Ada in all but name). > Actually, there migh be some truth here. Successful languages are made by hackers for hackers. Ada and some others was made by engineers for professional software developers. And the beard may well be more frequent in the first category than in the second one. -- J-P. Rosen Adalog 2 rue du Docteur Lombard, 92441 Issy-les-Moulineaux CEDEX Tel: +33 1 45 29 21 52, Fax: +33 1 45 29 25 00 http://www.adalog.fr ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-18 18:12 Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be Adam Beneschan 2012-06-18 18:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2012-06-19 23:04 ` ggsub @ 2012-06-20 5:23 ` quiet_lad 2012-06-20 14:15 ` leonid.dulman 3 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: quiet_lad @ 2012-06-20 5:23 UTC (permalink / raw) On Jun 18, 11:12 am, Adam Beneschan <a...@irvine.com> wrote: > Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of text-handling support: > > http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/beard-gallery/ > > -- Adam why should ada be more successful? I heard it handles SMP well, and maybe has something better than regex. Where is the all ada os? where is the all ada database? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-18 18:12 Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be Adam Beneschan ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2012-06-20 5:23 ` quiet_lad @ 2012-06-20 14:15 ` leonid.dulman 2012-06-20 17:48 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: leonid.dulman @ 2012-06-20 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw) On Monday, June 18, 2012 8:12:20 PM UTC+2, Adam Beneschan wrote: > Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of text-handling support: > > http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/beard-gallery/ > > -- Adam There is no any problem to write good game on ADA-2012 or build own WEB Browser. All you can do on Java, C++, C#, you can do on ADA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-20 14:15 ` leonid.dulman @ 2012-06-20 17:48 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 2012-06-20 18:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2012-06-20 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Le Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:15:49 +0200, <leonid.dulman@gmail.com> a écrit: > On Monday, June 18, 2012 8:12:20 PM UTC+2, Adam Beneschan wrote: >> Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of >> text-handling support: >> >> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/beard-gallery/ >> >> -- Adam > > There is no any problem to write good game on ADA-2012 or build own WEB > Browser. > All you can do on Java, C++, C#, you can do on ADA Yes, what can be done with Turing Complete X can also be done with whatever Turing Complete Y, and luckily, Ada is as much Turing Complete as the aboves (teasing :D ). -- “Syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.” [1] “Structured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.” [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming — Alan J. — P. Yale University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-20 17:48 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2012-06-20 18:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2012-06-20 20:56 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2012-06-20 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:48:00 +0200, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote: > Le Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:15:49 +0200, <leonid.dulman@gmail.com> a �crit: > >> On Monday, June 18, 2012 8:12:20 PM UTC+2, Adam Beneschan wrote: >>> Maybe it isn't about the syntax, the verbosity, or the lack of >>> text-handling support: >>> >>> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/beard-gallery/ >>> >> There is no any problem to write good game on ADA-2012 or build own WEB >> Browser. >> All you can do on Java, C++, C#, you can do on ADA > > Yes, what can be done with Turing Complete X can also be done with > whatever Turing Complete Y, and luckily, Ada is as much Turing Complete as > the aboves (teasing :D ). Wrong. The correct statement is: any problem which can be solved by a Turing complete system can be done in either X or Y if both are Turing-complete. That does not imply that any problem solvable in X is solvable in Y. Only Turing-complete one are. X can be more than Turing-complete. E.g. real-time clock, user input, etc available to X but not to Y. P.S. Turing had no beard. Get lost! (:-)) -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Why Ada isn't as successful as it should be 2012-06-20 18:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2012-06-20 20:56 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2012-06-20 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Le Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:41:41 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> a écrit: > P.S. Turing had no beard. Get lost! (:-)) But he had a nice teddy bear, named Porgy: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02158/Untitled-1_2158770b.jpg -- “Syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.” [1] “Structured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.” [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming — Alan J. — P. Yale University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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