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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Performance of element access in Vector
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:56 +0100
Date: 2009-01-21T20:00:58+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jnwc1vv3vzmb$.j78h3mz0a049.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 15dd6f2b-0d9d-42d0-9c7a-c17bc348434f@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:14:17 -0800 (PST), Maciej Sobczak wrote:

> On 21 Sty, 11:19, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
> wrote:
> 
>>> You mean that arrays have the Iterate method?
>>
>> The language Ada has iteration methods, for example for-loop.
> 
> No, for-loops are not iteration methods, they are control structures.

They are methods of iteration. You mean that for-loop is not a primitive
operation of array. Why should it be?

> Iteration methods are defined by particular interfaces and these are
> different for arrays and Vectors.

Yes, as an ugly hack container libraries provide "foreach" as a primitive
operation. It is even so ugly because neither Ada nor C++ support multiple
dispatch in order to make such a primitive operation truly primitive for
both the container and the element, or maybe for three, including
index/cursor.

>>>> Ordered containers must have array interface.
>>
>>> You mean that containers overload the () indexing? I'm afraid they don't.
>>
>> That containers implement element access using an index from 1D space, if
>> we are talking about iterations.
> 
> This similarity can be interesting as a theory, but is useless in
> practice.

I don't see any problems. For-loops were in practical use long before any
container libraries.

> Can you *reuse* a piece of code that traverses an array (or Vector)
> and apply it to a Vector (or array, respectively)?

You wrap for-loop into a procedure, that is.

> There are two reuse mechanisms in Ada, one with class-wide types and
> run-time polymorphism and one with generics. Neither one can be
> applied to the arrays vs. Vectors problem.

Why? It is trivial to define a primitive operation containing a loop.

> That's why, as far as I'm concerned, arrays and Vectors do not share
> any interface.

They shall share array interface when ordered.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-21 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-18 21:42 Performance of element access in Vector Maciej Sobczak
2009-01-19  0:03 ` george.priv
2009-01-19  3:23 ` george.priv
2009-01-19 11:25   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-01-19 16:32   ` (see below)
2009-01-20  2:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-01-20  8:03   ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-01-20  8:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-01-20 22:07       ` george.priv
2009-01-21  8:52         ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-01-21 19:25           ` george.priv
2009-01-22 10:01             ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-01-22 12:43               ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-01-22 13:52               ` george.priv
2009-01-21  8:59         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-01-21  9:19           ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-01-21 10:19             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-01-21 13:14               ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-01-21 19:00                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2009-01-21 13:22             ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-01-23 14:56         ` Alex R. Mosteo
2009-01-20 23:01   ` Randy Brukardt
2009-01-21  9:15     ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-01-21 18:08       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-01-23 14:55         ` Alex R. Mosteo
2009-01-23 17:30           ` Georg Bauhaus
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