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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: What would you like in Ada202X?
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:23:37 -0500
Date: 2012-04-25T21:23:37-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jnabjc$vg8$1@munin.nbi.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4f97bf40$0$6559$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net

"Georg Bauhaus" <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de> wrote in message 
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> On 25.04.12 09:47, Martin wrote:
...
> My favorite change would start here:
>
> 0) Which features do you think can be dropped from Ada?

Of course, practically, we can't drop anything because of compability 
concerns. The most we can do is banish things to Annex J.

I'd probably start with:

(1) Co-extensions (and more generally, allocators for anonymous access 
types). [I'd like to get rid of all anonymous types period, but that 
probably is going to far.];

(2) Generic in-out object parameters (almost never used, hard to implement, 
probably buggy because of the first two);

(3) Interfaces (buys almost nothing over abstract types, except a huge 
amount of complication in definition and implementation);

(4) Accessibility checking - both static and dynamic (finds 1 real error for 
every hundred reported - I've only once in more than 15 years been able to 
use 'Access on an object successfully). On top of that, the rules are 
complex and need huge efforts to maintain: clause 3.10.2 is known in the ARG 
as the "heart of darkness". And on top of that, it's not ever clear that the 
Ada 2005 rules as corrected are actually implementable (we have an open AI 
on that).

                                              Randy.






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2012-04-25  7:47 What would you like in Ada202X? Martin
2012-04-25  8:01 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25  8:30   ` stefan-lucks
2012-04-25 19:21   ` Adam Beneschan
2012-04-28 11:50   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-28 13:21   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-29  1:03     ` BrianG
2012-04-25  8:36 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-04-25  8:46   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25  9:04     ` leonid
2012-04-25 11:30     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-04-26  2:00       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-26 13:10         ` AdaMagica
2012-04-26 15:49       ` anon
2012-04-27  0:26         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-25  9:10   ` Martin
2012-04-25  8:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-25  8:59   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25  9:24     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-25 10:05       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26  2:08       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-26  8:50         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-26 23:50           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-27  5:03             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-27 13:50               ` Robert A Duff
2012-04-27 23:25               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-28  6:32                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-27  7:56             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-27 13:56               ` Robert A Duff
2012-04-28  8:32                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-28 11:44                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-29 13:35                   ` Robert A Duff
2012-04-29 15:59                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-29 19:27                       ` Robert A Duff
2012-04-29 20:09                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-01  2:17                     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-25  9:31   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-26  2:10     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-10  7:29   ` Gustaf Thorslund
2012-05-14  9:25     ` stefan-lucks
2012-05-14 12:19       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-14 13:09         ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-05-14 13:40           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-14 15:50             ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-05-14 20:24               ` Gustaf Thorslund
2012-05-14 22:49                 ` tmoran
2012-05-15  6:15                   ` Gustaf Thorslund
2012-04-25  9:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-25  9:14   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25  9:30   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-25 13:11   ` Marc C
2012-04-25 13:35     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-25 13:36     ` Pascal Obry
2012-04-25 14:18     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25 16:12     ` björn lundin
2012-04-25 17:36       ` Lucretia
2012-04-25 20:26         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26 15:20       ` Simon Wright
2012-04-28 10:58         ` björn lundin
2012-04-26 12:37     ` Marc C
2012-04-25 18:14   ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-25 18:51     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-25 20:53     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25 21:14       ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-25 21:27         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25 21:30         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25 22:33           ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-26  0:50             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26  1:06               ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-28 11:02               ` okellogg
2012-04-28 11:48                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-29 13:43                 ` Robert A Duff
2012-04-29 16:59                   ` okellogg
2012-04-29 19:04                     ` Robert A Duff
2012-04-29 19:32                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-29 19:37                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-29 19:55                         ` Robert A Duff
2012-04-29 21:37                       ` okellogg
2012-04-29 22:51                         ` Robert A Duff
2012-04-26  2:23   ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2012-04-26  8:25     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-26 23:58       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-27  7:23         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-27 22:42           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-28  7:53             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-28 11:40               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-28 11:51                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-01  2:32               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-27  7:41   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-04-27 15:33     ` Adam Beneschan
2012-04-29  7:57     ` J-P. Rosen
2012-04-29 17:32       ` Robert Love
2012-04-29 23:33       ` Shark8
2012-05-10  7:18   ` ytomino
2012-05-10 15:25     ` Adam Beneschan
2012-05-10 15:51       ` ytomino
2012-05-10 17:09         ` Adam Beneschan
2012-05-10 18:25           ` ytomino
2012-04-25 12:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-25 16:41   ` tmoran
2012-04-25 13:10 ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2012-04-25 18:10   ` Zhu Qun-Ying
2012-04-25 18:07 ` okellogg
2012-04-25 19:15   ` Adam Beneschan
2012-04-25 20:12     ` okellogg
2012-04-25 20:26       ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-25 21:09         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-25 21:11         ` Martin Dowie
2012-04-25 22:18           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-26  2:36             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-25 20:40       ` Adam Beneschan
2012-04-25 22:05         ` okellogg
2012-04-25 23:13           ` Adam Beneschan
2012-04-26  1:46             ` Brad Moore
2012-04-26  2:41             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-26  7:43         ` Mart van de Wege
2012-04-26  8:46           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-26 14:57             ` Mart van de Wege
2012-04-26 15:28           ` Adam Beneschan
2012-04-26 18:16           ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-26 21:41             ` Mart van de Wege
2012-04-26 22:01               ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-25 20:19     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-25 21:05   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26  2:33   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-25 18:24 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-04-25 19:02   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-25 19:02 ` Oliver Kleinke
2012-04-25 19:27   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-25 20:50   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-26  8:15     ` Oliver Kleinke
2012-04-26  9:16       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-04-26  9:16       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-25 21:17   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26  8:18     ` Oliver Kleinke
2012-04-25 22:14 ` ytomino
2012-04-26  0:37   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26  2:52     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-26 15:19       ` Adam Beneschan
2012-04-26 15:55         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-27  2:38         ` ytomino
2012-04-27  8:09           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-27  8:19             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-27  9:46               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-27 10:05                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-27 11:04                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-04-27 12:10                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-26  4:12     ` ytomino
2012-04-26  8:44     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-26 11:22       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26 13:17         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-27  0:09       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-27  5:23         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-27 22:49           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-27  7:31         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-27 22:46           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-28  8:41             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-25 22:30 ` Shark8
2012-04-26  0:42   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26  9:29 ` gautier_niouzes
2012-04-26 11:27   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-26 13:19     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-30 22:38     ` gautier_niouzes
2012-04-27  0:18 ` sbelmont700
2012-04-27 16:04   ` Shark8
2012-04-27 21:11     ` sbelmont700
2012-04-27 23:18       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-27 23:40         ` sbelmont700
2012-04-28  2:17           ` Adam Beneschan
2012-04-28  8:03           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-04-29  3:20       ` Shark8
2012-04-29 15:42         ` sbelmont700
2012-04-29 23:29           ` Shark8
2012-04-30  2:00             ` sbelmont700
2012-04-27 23:03   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-04-27  5:10 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-04-27  5:36   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-04-27 10:59 ` Martin
2012-04-27 17:05   ` Simon Wright
2012-04-30  7:28     ` Martin
2012-05-01  2:45       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-01  7:28         ` Martin
2012-05-01 17:15           ` Shark8
2012-05-01 18:13             ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-05-01 19:30             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-01 20:23             ` Robert A Duff
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     [not found]                   ` <JYOdnei1xPFt8D3SnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com>
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2012-05-08 17:45             ` Martin Dowie
2012-05-03 15:30           ` gautier_niouzes
2012-05-03 15:58             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-04  7:25               ` Martin
2012-05-01 16:23         ` Simon Wright
2012-04-29  3:52   ` Shark8
2012-04-29  7:13     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2012-05-01 15:04     ` mjsilva
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2012-05-06 18:48 ` Niklas Holsti
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2012-05-06 20:47     ` Niklas Holsti
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2012-05-06 20:06     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-06 21:26     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-07  7:49       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2012-05-08  9:03           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-08 19:20             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-08 19:44               ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-09  8:02               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-10  0:47                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-13 19:53                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-15  6:30                     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-15  7:58                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-16  0:05                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-17 19:48                       ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-18  4:28                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-17 14:40                 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-17 17:12                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-07  6:33   ` ytomino
2012-05-07 22:34     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-08  0:48       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-08  6:30         ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-08 22:11           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-08 22:22           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-09  7:18             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-10  0:30               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-10  7:44                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-10 21:22             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-11  7:39               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-12  0:11               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-15 21:35                 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-16  0:19                   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-17 22:01                     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-05-18  4:35                       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-16  7:39                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-10  6:45       ` ytomino
2012-05-15 21:52         ` Niklas Holsti
2012-07-03 15:41   ` Pascal Obry
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2012-07-04 11:41       ` Ada novice
2012-07-04 12:30         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
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2012-07-04 17:55           ` Simon Wright
2012-07-04 18:35             ` Nasser M. Abbasi
     [not found]             ` <0o59v7djiffnl7sqdpp2uiso78oa9hb8sb@invalid.netcom.com>
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2012-07-04 22:26                 ` Simon Wright
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2012-07-05  7:53                     ` shai.lesh
2012-07-05  8:18                       ` Simon Wright
2012-07-06  0:48                         ` John B. Matthews
2012-07-05  8:30                       ` georg bauhaus
2012-07-05 11:57                         ` shai.lesh
2012-07-05 12:11                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-07-05 12:21                             ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-07-05 13:07                               ` shai.lesh
2012-07-05 14:08                                 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-07-05 15:51                                   ` Ada novice
2012-07-05 15:55                   ` johnscpg
2012-07-05 16:57                     ` Simon Wright
2012-07-05 17:36                       ` shai.lesh
2012-07-06 12:07                       ` Ada novice
2012-07-06 15:29                         ` Simon Wright
2012-07-12  6:02                           ` Egil Høvik
2012-07-12  8:29                             ` Simon Wright
2012-07-12  9:00                               ` Egil Høvik
2012-07-12 12:44                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-12 13:20                                   ` Egil Høvik
2012-07-12 15:53                                   ` Adam Beneschan
2012-07-12 16:34                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-12 17:35                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-19  6:44                                     ` David Thompson
2012-07-19 18:22                                       ` Simon Wright
2012-07-20  6:20                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-27 19:49                                           ` Ada novice
2012-07-12  9:47                               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-05-10 13:13 ` Martin
2012-05-18  9:56 ` Marius Amado-Alves
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2012-06-29 11:54   ` AdaMagica
2012-06-29 12:42     ` stefan-lucks
2012-06-29 15:12     ` Adam Beneschan
2012-07-03  0:47     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-29 12:13   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-29 22:37     ` Robert A Duff
2012-06-30 12:00 ` Brian Drummond
2012-06-30 12:34   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-30 17:00     ` Brian Drummond
2012-06-30 18:43       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-30 21:06         ` Brian Drummond
2012-07-01  8:17           ` Oliver Kellogg
2012-07-01  8:28             ` Pascal Obry
2012-07-01  8:25           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-01 10:57             ` Brian Drummond
2012-07-01 12:46               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-03  0:53               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-30 15:51   ` Robert A Duff
2012-06-30 17:37     ` Brian Drummond
2012-06-30 18:09       ` Robert A Duff
2012-06-30 18:26       ` Niklas Holsti
2012-07-01 10:47         ` Brian Drummond
2012-07-13  8:07 ` Martin
2012-07-13 11:04   ` Pascal Obry
2012-07-13 11:13     ` Martin
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