Re: Why use C++?

["Jed" <jehdiah@orbitway.net>]

Georg Bauhaus wrote:
> On 12.08.11 21:51, Jed wrote:
>
>> I like the semantic also (not the syntax though). I still don't have
>> a feel for the scope of the desired (your) semantics and the compiler
>> implementation effort requited though. So far, I'm clear on "ranged
>> integers + size attribute".
>
> As others have argued, and as has come out of the study
> mentioned earlier,

(attempt at "appeal to authority" noted)

> the language should

"should" doesn't fly on Wikipedia.

> Sorry, I can't present to you a complete and consistent summary
> of the world's programmers' ideas about whole number types in
> their programs, other than in the negative: they are rarely covered
> by int, as is exemplified in this thread.

Do "call me" when your thoughts are accepted on Wikipedia.

>
> A positive addition:

Oh, you were being "negative"?  I didn't notice!

> we

Who is "we"? Trying to include me, unsuspecting, may be a warring action. 
So just don't do that anymore.

> already have alternative ways of
> declaring types and they lead to exactly as efficient
> programs.

It's called reality. Deal with it (better than you dad did, an of course 
your mom does not matter). I didn't say accept it.

>
> These types are an interesting challenge, anyway.

Your types are known, and not interesting.

> A few compiler
> writers

There is no such thing.

> have done some homework and decided that cyclic types (beyond
> wrapping ones such as unsigned int) would be nightmarish to
> implement.  At least efficiently, IIUC.
>
> But do they have to implement all kind of ideas, or should
> a language just offer building blocks for the type system?

Dmitry "knows" that. Ask him.

>> So, a control panel on top of the low-level things. (4GL vs. 3GL).
>
> int refers only to what the C++ standard has to say about
> minimal properties of int.  Simply being more specific about what
> values I have in mind is far, far away from a 4GL language.

I assure you I know abstraction. You can take your "vote", and shove it 
up your ass. Cry me a river. Reap what you sow.