From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Derived private interface
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:52:13 -0500
Date: 2011-08-11T23:52:13-05:00 [thread overview]
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"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:56:00 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>
>> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
>> news:1bs0xoar40rx.6yb23bgkfrew.dlg@40tude.net...
>
>>> In reality
>>> there are many dispatching calls and many class-wide operations (for
>>> which
>>> there is no typed procedural equivalent).
>>
>> Reality? The reality is in the web server interface I was describing
>> there
>> was only one such point of dispatch, and only a single interface to
>> dispatch
>> to. It's clearly a special case, but one that is pretty common in the
>> systems I've worked on.
>
> The problem is that starting a project without OO, you have to gamble on
> whether this indeed is a special case and will remain special.
>
> This is called fragile design.
No, this is called "agile development"! There is no circumstance where a
designer can possibly predict all possible ways their project is going to
evolve. It's silly to try.
It doesn't matter how you design your interfaces -- you're going to have to
change them at some point. And I've never seen any difference in the amount
of work in a OOP design. If anything, the OOP designs are harder to
modify -- adding a new interface to the ARM formatter or the Claw Builder
takes a long time and requires inserting a lot of similar code in a number
of packages. I've rarely seen that sort of behavior with a purely procedural
design (probably because ad-hoc sharing of code is much easier in a
procedural design).
I could imagine that there could exist some extremely fancy tools for
creating the common structures of all of those "implementations" of the new
interfaces automatically -- but I'm not aware of any such thing for Ada --
and in any case, I wouldn't have one (I only use Janus/Ada tools for
[virtually all] programming here; have to do so in order to figure out what
needs to be improved).
Randy.
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2011-07-05 3:14 Derived private interface Rego, P.
2011-07-05 5:10 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-06 2:24 ` Rego, P.
2011-07-06 4:34 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-06 7:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-06 8:30 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-06 12:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-06 13:23 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-06 19:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-06 13:28 ` Simon Wright
2011-07-06 19:45 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-06 22:05 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-06 23:56 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-07 14:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-07 15:10 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-08 4:29 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-08 19:08 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-08 19:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-07 15:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-07 10:37 ` Stephen Leake
2011-07-07 13:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-08 19:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-08 21:41 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-09 6:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-22 22:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-23 7:30 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-23 9:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-07-23 10:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-26 21:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-26 23:43 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-27 23:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-28 0:18 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-28 10:06 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-07-28 23:24 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-29 6:45 ` Simon Wright
2011-07-30 0:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-30 6:32 ` Simon Wright
2011-08-01 9:30 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2011-08-01 10:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-01 21:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-02 10:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-02 21:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-03 9:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-03 20:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-04 8:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-09 21:10 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-08-09 21:35 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-10 9:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-10 21:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-11 8:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-12 4:52 ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2011-08-12 8:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-10 10:07 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-08-10 11:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-08-10 22:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-10 22:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-11 13:50 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-08-12 4:43 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-12 7:00 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-08-12 21:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-06 15:06 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-06 16:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-06 19:20 ` Randy Brukardt
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