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From: Brian Drummond <brian_drummond@btconnect.com>
Subject: Re: memory management in Ada: tedious without GC?
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:40:45 +0100
Date: 2008-05-19T15:40:45+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <j1333450hdg19kpcmglqg0e7l45v3altb5@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m2od74ghnk.fsf@mac.com

On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:06:55 +0100, Simon Wright
<simon.j.wright@mac.com> wrote:

>Brian Drummond <brian_drummond@btconnect.com> writes:
>
>> Which explained to me how changing from ptr to auto_ptr (presumably
>> to make code safer!) can introduce a spectacularly silly bug,
>> completely statically determinable, but which the compiler allows
>> just fine and lets the code die with a segfault.
>
>Is auto_ptr the one where assignment moves the content? "b = a;" means
>that a is now null and b references the previous content of a?
>
>If so, it seems to me that it's the concept that's spectacularly
>silly! (I considered introducing an auto pointer into the Booch
>Components, but then thought about using it .. I can see that there
>might be a use within a very narrow scope, but a standard ref-counted
>smart pointer works just as well. No doubt there is an appropriate
>usage idiom?)

That's the one. It's maybe not spectacularly silly; I can see how it
would help in other circumstances, but not here. 

Maciek is probably right that one or more of scoped_ptr, unique_ptr or
shared_ptr would be a better choice, but that is where I want to part
company with C++[+STL] - that looks like four new mechanisms to increase
complexity, without eliminating the basic problems of ptr.

I would prefer to catch problems at (or even before) the compiler,
rather than as here, let them manifest at runtime. So, having assigned
b=a, at the very least, any further references to 'a' in the same block
ought to be grounds for compilation failure. But apparently not, at
least in this compiler (gcc).

- Brian



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-19 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-16 17:44 memory management in Ada: tedious without GC? jhc0033
2008-05-16 18:56 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-05-16 20:42 ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-16 21:45   ` Ivan Levashew
2008-05-16 22:59   ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-05-17  5:24     ` jhc0033
2008-05-17  7:50       ` Ivan Levashew
2008-05-16 23:05   ` Randy Brukardt
2008-05-19  3:50   ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19  7:55     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-19 13:18       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-05-19 14:16         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-23 23:15       ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24  0:45         ` Randy Brukardt
2008-05-24  8:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 16:14           ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24 19:04             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 20:52               ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-25  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-25 11:28                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-25 12:35                   ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-26  8:16                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 19:39             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-05-24 20:45               ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-19  8:35     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 15:11       ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 21:13         ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-23 23:03         ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24  0:12           ` Adam Beneschan
2008-05-16 22:45 ` anon
2008-05-17  7:34 ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 15:11   ` Bob Klungle
2008-05-17 15:27     ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 16:18       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-05-20  8:04         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-05-20  8:01       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-05-20 10:03         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 17:23     ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 16:51   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-17 17:45     ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 22:28       ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-05-18  7:03         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18  8:50           ` jhc0033
2008-05-18  9:31             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 14:10               ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-18 14:59                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 20:51                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19  8:36                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 15:03             ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18 18:27               ` jhc0033
2008-05-19  4:12                 ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19  8:39                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 15:37                     ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 21:21                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 23:02                         ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 10:27                 ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 22:42       ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-05-18  6:58         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18  6:52     ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18 14:16       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-17 14:30 ` Brian Drummond
2008-05-17 16:47   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 14:45     ` Brian Drummond
2008-05-20  7:42       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-20 18:01         ` jayessay
2008-05-18  8:06   ` Simon Wright
2008-05-18 14:21     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-18 20:48       ` Simon Wright
2008-05-19 14:40     ` Brian Drummond [this message]
2008-05-19  3:44 ` Matthew Heaney
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