From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: How do I write directly to a memory address?
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:42:25 -0600
Date: 2011-03-02T20:42:25-06:00 [thread overview]
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"Hyman Rosen" <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote in message
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> On 3/2/2011 4:34 PM, KK6GM wrote:
>> Why would you assume any positive opportunity cost at all (as opposed
>> to a negative opportunity cost, that is, a savings)? Why would you
>> assume that the entire software development/maintenance cycle is
>> cheaper when using tools and methods that produce more bugs?
>
> I assume that taking extra time to fix all known errors and to test
> very thoroughly for unknown errors will incur large costs in time,
> money, and opportunity.
That assumption depends very much on the techniques used. I very much doubt
that "testing very thoroughly" would have much effect on software quality,
but it surely would have the effects on time and opportunity cost that you
are mentioning.
OTOH, if your compiler and toolset somehow eliminated most of the debugging
phase (by detecting errors early during the "bugging" phase of program
development), one would imagine that your costs could go way down.
Note that I think the above is a goal more than something that is completely
achievable. I tend to think that there will always be a few logic errors
that are too hard to detect without taking too much up-front effort. (The
attempt of tools like SPARK to catch everything has a point of diminishing
returns.) But we surely can do better than Ada does.
To the extent that this is possible, I already do this in my own projects. I
hardly ever use a debugger on any of our programs (the exception is
malfunctioning compiler output; as a compiler writer, one has to figure out
where the generated code goes wrong, and that usually requires
single-stepping), and testing is mostly limited to existing regression
suites. The Ada compiler detects most problems up-front; the self-checking
built-into the programs detects most of the rest. What's left would be
unlikely to be detected by testing anyway (especially after clean regression
test runs).
Randy.
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2011-02-03 5:52 How do I write directly to a memory address? Syntax Issues
2011-02-03 8:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-03 8:01 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 13:34 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-03 8:08 ` mockturtle
2011-02-03 18:07 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-08 13:43 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-08 21:07 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-10 2:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-03 8:24 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-03 10:50 ` Syntax Issues
2011-02-03 11:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-03 18:24 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-04 9:21 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-03 21:30 ` Florian Weimer
2011-02-04 9:24 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-04 10:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-04 11:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-04 17:35 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-04 16:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-04 17:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-04 18:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-05 5:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-04 21:36 ` Shark8
2011-02-04 23:00 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-02-05 0:20 ` John B. Matthews
2011-02-05 14:56 ` Pascal Obry
2011-02-07 14:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-07 16:24 ` Robert A Duff
2011-02-07 16:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-07 17:02 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-01 20:27 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-01 20:47 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-01 21:17 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-01 21:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-01 21:54 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 8:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 14:36 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 15:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 15:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 16:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-02 16:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 18:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-02 18:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 17:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 17:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 18:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 18:29 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 21:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 22:10 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-03 8:04 ` Simon Wright
2011-03-03 8:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-03 8:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 7:54 ` Simon Wright
2011-03-02 20:34 ` KK6GM
2011-03-02 20:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 21:03 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-03-02 21:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 21:34 ` KK6GM
2011-03-03 1:09 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 1:38 ` KK6GM
2011-03-03 2:42 ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2011-03-02 23:18 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-03-02 23:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 0:46 ` Edward Fish
2011-03-03 1:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 3:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-03 6:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 8:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-03 17:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 18:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-03 20:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 21:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-03 22:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 20:34 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-04 0:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-04 3:21 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-04 16:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 21:24 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-03-03 21:32 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 21:39 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-03-03 21:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 22:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-01 21:52 ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-01 22:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 0:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-02 2:59 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-03 1:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-02 14:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 14:34 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-02 14:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 15:19 ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-02 15:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 15:49 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-02 16:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 2:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-03 5:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 9:19 ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-02 9:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 9:45 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-02 10:24 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-02 11:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 14:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-06 17:49 ` Simon Clubley
2011-02-06 18:18 ` Niklas Holsti
2011-02-06 19:05 ` Simon Clubley
2011-02-06 20:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-06 21:27 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-06 23:08 ` Shark8
2011-02-07 6:38 ` Niklas Holsti
2011-02-07 7:23 ` Shark8
2011-02-07 8:31 ` Niklas Holsti
2011-02-07 12:31 ` Simon Clubley
2011-02-07 12:42 ` Simon Clubley
2011-02-07 21:54 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-08 0:21 ` Bill Findlay
2011-02-08 1:06 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-02-21 7:17 ` David Thompson
2011-02-08 12:46 ` Simon Clubley
2011-02-08 13:12 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-08 18:03 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-07 8:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-07 9:05 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-07 9:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-07 23:11 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-08 18:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-08 21:48 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-09 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-09 21:07 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-09 21:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-01 21:45 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-07 9:00 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-07 13:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-07 13:56 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-07 14:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-07 15:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-07 16:14 ` Robert A Duff
2011-02-07 17:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-07 18:38 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-07 21:38 ` Robert A Duff
2011-02-07 22:41 ` Simon Wright
2011-02-07 18:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-07 19:27 ` Simon Wright
2011-02-07 19:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-07 16:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-07 17:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 8:04 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-08 9:01 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-02-08 9:08 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-08 9:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 19:53 ` Shark8
2011-02-08 9:46 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 9:58 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-08 10:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 10:08 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-08 10:27 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 10:15 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-02-08 16:48 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-02-08 18:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 20:48 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-08 21:24 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 21:41 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-09 8:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-09 18:25 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-09 20:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-09 20:19 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-09 21:10 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 21:42 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-08 17:11 ` Pascal Obry
2011-02-08 17:11 ` Pascal Obry
2011-02-08 17:11 ` Pascal Obry
2011-02-08 17:24 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-08 18:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-08 18:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-08 10:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 10:14 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-08 10:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-08 18:30 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-08 18:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-08 20:11 ` Shark8
2011-02-08 20:27 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-08 20:52 ` Shark8
2011-02-08 21:21 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-08 21:35 ` Shark8
2011-02-09 0:03 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-09 0:14 ` Shark8
2011-02-10 2:51 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-10 4:30 ` Shark8
2011-02-11 2:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-09 15:34 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 16:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-09 16:43 ` KK6GM
2011-02-09 17:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-09 17:54 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 18:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-09 18:25 ` Shark8
2011-02-09 20:16 ` Simon Wright
2011-02-09 20:33 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-09 16:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 17:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-09 18:07 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 18:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-09 19:12 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 19:41 ` Shark8
2011-02-09 20:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 20:25 ` Shark8
2011-02-09 21:20 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 21:23 ` Shark8
2011-02-09 21:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-09 23:59 ` Robert A Duff
2011-02-09 20:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2011-02-09 22:31 ` Anonymous
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