From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: How do I write directly to a memory address?
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 20:51:57 -0600
Date: 2011-02-09T20:51:57-06:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <iivjsf$q8o$1@munin.nbi.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7ee1e395-a885-4f86-a3ed-30f773b67803@y12g2000prf.googlegroups.com
"Shark8" <onewingedshark@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 8, 5:03 pm, "Randy Brukardt" <ra...@rrsoftware.com> wrote:
...
>> Lest you think I'm talking about mythical other people, let me say that I
>> put Janus/Ada (written almost solely in Ada) in the category of garbage
>> Ada
>> programs. It was designed by people (including me, fresh out of college)
>> that didn't understand encapsulation and contracts very well, and as such
>> it
>> doesn't use them very consistently. It "works", of course, but it suffers
>> from a lot of the problems that you might get from a C written compiler.
>> With one exception: virtually every problem is detected by the failure of
>> an
>> Ada runtime check, so it is rare to get the wrong answer as opposed to no
>> answer.
>
>Intriguing self-assessment on Janus/Ada.
>If you don't mind my asking, if you were to scrap-redo the compiler
>what would you do differently?
>Assuming you'd be using Ada, would you implement it in Ada 2012?
The last part is easy, yes, of course. Nothing better has appeared, and I
don't think some one-off language would be a good choice.
The main thing to redo would be to organize the units and interfaces in some
logical way. We had to work around various arbitrary constraints in the
early days -- to get the compiler to fit at all on CP/M systems and 16-bit
MS-DOS systems. That's led to a forest of packages with poorly defined
interfaces (because putting everything related in one package would have
been too large for what was compilable on MS-DOS). Moreover, people always
"cheat" for expediency -- they directly call supposely internal routines
because they can. (Ada 83 didn't have anything like private packages; we
used subunits when we could, but they were only effective for large
subprograms.) Getting rid of that would be good. Finally, there is a lot of
duplicated algorithms, mainly because we couldn't spare the space to store
little used values.
>Also, in your opinion what's the best thing to do to really understand
>encapsulation and contracts?
I'm not sure. I didn't really figure it out until I had been burned enough
by bad ones. :-) And we had experience using a "modular" language at the
University of Wisconsin (the original Modula), so we already had a vague
idea of what benefits it could bring.
Randy.
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2011-02-03 5:52 How do I write directly to a memory address? Syntax Issues
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2011-02-08 13:34 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-03 8:08 ` mockturtle
2011-02-03 18:07 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-08 13:43 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-08 21:07 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-10 2:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-03 8:24 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-03 10:50 ` Syntax Issues
2011-02-03 11:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-03 18:24 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-04 9:21 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-03 21:30 ` Florian Weimer
2011-02-04 9:24 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-04 10:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-04 11:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-04 17:35 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-04 16:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-04 17:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-04 18:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-05 5:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-04 21:36 ` Shark8
2011-02-04 23:00 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-02-05 0:20 ` John B. Matthews
2011-02-05 14:56 ` Pascal Obry
2011-02-07 14:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-07 16:24 ` Robert A Duff
2011-02-07 16:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-07 17:02 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-01 20:27 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-01 20:47 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-01 21:17 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-01 21:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-01 21:54 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 8:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 14:36 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 15:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 15:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 16:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-02 16:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 18:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-02 18:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 17:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 17:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 18:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 18:29 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 21:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 22:10 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-03 8:04 ` Simon Wright
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2011-03-03 8:50 ` Hyman Rosen
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2011-03-02 20:34 ` KK6GM
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2011-03-02 23:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 0:46 ` Edward Fish
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2011-03-03 3:01 ` Randy Brukardt
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2011-03-03 20:08 ` Hyman Rosen
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2011-03-03 22:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 20:34 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-04 0:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-04 3:21 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-04 16:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 21:24 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-03-03 21:32 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 21:39 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-03-03 21:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 22:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-01 21:52 ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-01 22:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 0:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-02 2:59 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-03 1:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-02 14:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 14:34 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-02 14:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 15:19 ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-02 15:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 15:49 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-02 16:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-03 2:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-03 5:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-02 9:19 ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-02 9:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 9:45 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-02 10:24 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-02 11:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-02 14:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-06 17:49 ` Simon Clubley
2011-02-06 18:18 ` Niklas Holsti
2011-02-06 19:05 ` Simon Clubley
2011-02-06 20:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-06 21:27 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-06 23:08 ` Shark8
2011-02-07 6:38 ` Niklas Holsti
2011-02-07 7:23 ` Shark8
2011-02-07 8:31 ` Niklas Holsti
2011-02-07 12:31 ` Simon Clubley
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2011-02-07 21:54 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-02-08 0:21 ` Bill Findlay
2011-02-08 1:06 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-02-21 7:17 ` David Thompson
2011-02-08 12:46 ` Simon Clubley
2011-02-08 13:12 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-08 18:03 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-07 8:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-07 9:05 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-07 9:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-07 23:11 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-08 18:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-08 21:48 ` Maciej Sobczak
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2011-02-09 21:07 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-09 21:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-01 21:45 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-02-07 9:00 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-07 13:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-07 13:56 ` Ludovic Brenta
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2011-02-07 15:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2011-02-07 18:38 ` Jeffrey Carter
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2011-02-07 22:41 ` Simon Wright
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2011-02-08 9:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
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2011-02-09 20:19 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-09 21:10 ` Hyman Rosen
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2011-02-08 17:11 ` Pascal Obry
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2011-02-08 17:24 ` Hyman Rosen
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2011-02-08 21:21 ` Jeffrey Carter
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