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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Windows Ada database support.
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:27:35 +0100
Date: 2004-12-09T14:27:35+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <idb1q6npur2e$.i8h1wzia97c0.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: cp9eke$7bm$2@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:58:06 +0000 (UTC), Georg Bauhaus wrote:

> Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
>: 
>: But you can translate into SQL. Why Ada.Database.Relational.Foo cannot call
>: My_ Fancy_DB.Execute ("BAZ ...")? I do not propose to write a new DB
>: engine.
> 
> This brings us back to the original questions :-)
> 
>: Why should I query? It is for untyped tables. If I have an object at hand
>: then I know its type and so everything I can do with it. If I don't, then I
>: have another object, a container that refers to my object. That container
>: again has a type and that provides operations to access its elements.
> 
> Relations. Records In DB system, as well as records in Ada have components
> which can be updated.  Relations between 2 or more objects may thus depend
> on time.

= bad design, if you are you talking about changes unknown during design.
In that case you are in trouble anyway! You have to modify all UPDATE
statements if just a new column is added. Consider a memory snapshot made
before changing the CPU from Intel to PowerPC. This is what your DB is
worth. You can still read and write it. But data without semantics is a
garbage.

But if my language supports interface inheritance I can still deal with
reasonable changes. I could derive new types from old bases and throw out
old representations:

type X is record
   Foo : Integer;
   Bar : String (...)
end record;

type Y is new X without Foo -- (:-))
   with record
      Baz : Float;
   end record;  

Of course the compiler will force me to define getter and setter for Y.Foo,
otherwise all class-wide methods will be lost.

> However, an object's type cannot reflect this, because types
> are static.  You could associate one different type with each possible
> combination of component values in your program...

1. No application uses all possible combinations. They have very concrete
things to do.

2. Types are static but values are not. This is why T'Class works so
nicely!

3. Remember, I always campaigned for MI and MD in comp.lang.ada! (:-))

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2004-12-09 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-24 12:31 Windows Ada database support Mark Doherty
2004-11-24 15:04 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-11-24 18:35 ` Pascal Obry
2004-11-24 19:17   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2004-11-24 19:30     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-24 22:32       ` Ching Bon Lam
2004-11-25  1:03 ` David Botton
2004-11-25 17:50   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-11-26  9:15     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-26 18:36       ` David Botton
2004-11-27  8:59         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-28  0:46           ` David Botton
2004-11-28  9:51             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-28 10:23               ` Pascal Obry
2004-11-28 11:03                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-28 14:38                   ` Martin Dowie
2004-11-28 16:51                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-11-28 19:50                       ` Martin Dowie
2004-11-28 20:49                       ` Christopher Browne
2004-11-28 17:29                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-28 17:47                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-11-28 18:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-06 14:57                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-11-28 18:45                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-11-28 19:13                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-28 20:04                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-11-29  9:04                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-29 10:07                         ` Adrien Plisson
2004-11-29 11:00                           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2004-11-29 13:12                             ` Frank Piron
2004-12-01 16:19                           ` Pascal Obry
2004-12-02 10:37                             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-12-02 10:58                               ` Frank Piron
2004-12-03  2:50                               ` John B. Matthews
2004-11-28 20:36                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-11-29  1:40                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-11-29 10:30                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-11-29  1:28       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-11-29  8:53         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-29 11:09           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-11-29 12:01             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-29 14:07               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-11-29 18:04                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-29 22:05                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-11-30 11:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-30 13:46                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-11-30 15:04                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-30 16:09                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-11-30 16:07                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-11-30 18:52                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-30 21:10                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-01  9:11                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-29 12:56       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-11-29 13:26         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-29 15:02       ` Frank Piron
2004-11-29 15:58         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-11-29 18:16         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-11-30  7:14           ` Frank Piron
2004-12-06 14:48       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-06 16:29         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-06 17:52           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-06 19:44             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-06 20:49             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-07  5:16               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-07 10:29                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-07 15:49               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-07 21:29                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-08  2:24                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-08  9:05                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-08 10:03                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-12-08 10:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-08 11:19                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-12-08 12:51                             ` Frank Piron
2004-12-08 13:43                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-08 13:41                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-08 16:09                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-08 19:46                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-09 12:20                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-09 12:59                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-08 15:58                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-08 19:43                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-09 11:58                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-09 13:27                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2004-12-09 18:58                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-10 10:22                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-10 14:28                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-10 15:14                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-08 15:52                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-08 20:22                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-09 12:12                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-09 12:59                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-09 18:45                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-09 12:22                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-12-09 14:03                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-10 20:47                   ` Simon Wright
2004-11-25  2:18 ` bubble
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