Re: What about a glob standard method in Ada.Command_Line ?

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In <i5586l$1q6$1@news.eternal-september.org>, "J-P. Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> writes:
>Le 25/08/2010 23:37, anon@att.net a �crit :
>>> ARG:  ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22/WG 9 Ada Rapporteur Group (ARG)
>>> AdaCore: Ada vendor, has members in ARG
>>>
>>> There is no monopoly, yet.
>> 
>> Better look at becoming a member, you pay Adacore !!!
>This is 100% PLAIN WRONG (I usually don't like to respond to anon's
>absurdities, but since his messages can be found by newsgroups searches,
>I can't leave it).
>
>I am an ARG member. I never paid anything beyond the travel and meeting
>costs, and certainly not to AdaCore.
>
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>           J-P. Rosen (rosen@adalog.fr)
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Monopoly:  Yes, my son Adacore has a monopoly.  The reason is that first 
Adacore is the ONLY Ada vendor that has a current standard compiler and 
is voting.  IBM just upgrades the compiler but they chose not to have a 
direct say in the design of Ada 2007 (2005) or have not made any move 
on the design of Ada 2012, its all Adacore.

Second, all other Ada vendors have decided not to upgrade their Ada 
compilers to the current standard. Some may start the upgrade but they 
are not fully Ada 2007 complaint! So, the only active Ada vendor is 
Adacore, its just like IBM, is the only active vendor for PL/1. Also, 
if you visit SGI, SUN, or others hardware/software companies who had 
there own Ada compiler back in the 1980 .. 1990s and look for a current 
version of the Ada compiler they will redirect you to Adacore's GNAT.

So, Adacore has become a Monopoly legally, because others have chosen 
not to taken an active role in the Ada language any more by maintaining a 
current standard that is usable by the current systems. Yes, Randy Brukardt 
from RRSoftware is a member of ARG but Janus Ada is Ada 95 only for Win 
95/98. It might work under Windows 7 but how many people are going to buy 
the compiler just to find out because as we all know once open installed 
there's a no returns policy.

So, you either accept Adacore's GNAT "as is" or pay $15K plus to 
Adacore for support and have the right to talk about accepting your 
package as apart of the next standard. And for others on the list of 
WG9, they may vote but when Adacore, disagree, what are they going 
to do there is no other vendor to chose. So, aka Adacore rules Ada.

And in the US to be a voting member of WG9 a sub of the ISO you must 
be a member of ANSI. Other countries have there own version of the 
standards process that sooner or later you will have to pay a annual 
fee. Also, the voting member of WG9 are chosen by the national 
delegations of that country, and in the US that is Robert Dewar of 
AdaCore.

All this means is that Adacore has too much control of Ada and the Ada 
Standards, for a language they did not create.


Some of the major member of WG9 (as of 2009):
Note: Spark Ada (Ada vendor) is not on the list.

  Ada Vendors  -- ( to most the only votes that counts )
    * Randall Brukardt  -- R.R. Software, Inc., USA
    * Robert Dewar      -- AdaCore, USA
    * Greg Gicca        -- AdaCore, USA
    * Nasser Kettani    -- Rational Software France, France ( IBM )

  Special Ada Interest
    * Clyde Roby        -- Institute for Defense Analyses, USA (DoD)

  Special Designer Interest
    * Stephen Michell   -- Maurya Software, Inc. Canada
                             (Secuity, SRG)
    * Sally Seitz       -- ANSI, USA

  12 Professors (Worldwide)
  19 Others interested parties
     *  Jean-Pierre Rosen   -- Adalog, france