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From: "Anders Wirzenius" <anders.wirzenius@pp.qnet.fi>
Subject: Management, was:Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:45:50 GMT
Date: 2003-09-12T05:45:50+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <i4d8b.21$3D2.7@read3.inet.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3F607DC5.5070408@attbi.com


"Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3F607DC5.5070408@attbi.com...
> Marin David Condic wrote:
>  > And you have to optimize "profit" - not  "technical superiority".
> That's something
>  > that most engineers have a hard time grasping.
>
> No!  And that is an even harder lesson.  What you want to do is to
> maximize the long-term survival of the company.  That is the hard
lesson
> for non-engineering types to learn.
>

It also depends on what you mean by "profit": short term profit or
long term profit (which is much the same as long-term survival). I
experience in many businesses a slip against short time span
management where you focus your attention on end_of_this_year or, even
worse, end_of_next_quarter. Why bother about a longer time period if
your career plan is to move on to your next life (company) latest
within, say, three years?

Another thing that is a hard lesson for some managers:
The higher up in the organization you are, the longer time span it is
between your decision and the result of the decision.
I see often impatient managers who bypasses lower level managers and
who go directly to sub-sub-sub-ordinates and give orders. The only
reason is that the sup-sup-superior doesn't have the patience to wait
for the organization to carry out his decision properly. This leads
easily to low motivation among lower level managers and complaining
about lack of time among higher level managers. :(

Anders




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Thread overview: 475+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-06 21:47 Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-07  4:05 ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-07  4:59 ` Russ
2003-09-07  6:02   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-07  8:12     ` David Marceau
2003-09-07 10:17       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-07 14:31         ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-09-14 11:39           ` Alex Gibson
2003-09-08  7:49         ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-08 18:37       ` svaa
2003-09-07 11:24     ` Russ
2003-09-07 19:01       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-07 19:41         ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-09-07 20:17         ` David C. Hoos
2003-09-07 21:45         ` Russ
2003-09-08  4:10           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-08 18:35           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  0:19             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  7:41               ` Russ
2003-09-11  2:59                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-08  5:09         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-08  9:54           ` Rod Chapman
2003-09-09  0:25           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  6:51             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  7:33             ` Russ
2003-09-09  9:24               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-11  3:10               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  7:34             ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-09 13:13               ` Ed Falis
2003-09-10  6:09                 ` Robert C. Leif
     [not found]                 ` <20030910060915.VSBE25714.mta015.verizon.net@smtp.covadmail.net>
2003-09-10 12:49                   ` Ed Falis
2003-09-09 23:48               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  7:13                 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-11  1:39                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  7:48                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-14 21:44               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-15  9:19                 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-15 23:31                   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  0:26                     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-16  7:05                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-09-16  1:46                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-16  2:52                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16 17:29                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-17  0:50                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17  1:25                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-22 14:33                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 15:26                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23  8:04                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 12:24                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 13:29                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 13:38                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 14:07                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 14:36                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 14:47                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 15:09                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-24  2:13                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  8:17                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 11:43                                         ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24 12:55                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23  8:19                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23 12:29                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 13:38                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  1:55                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  2:38                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-24  3:52                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  8:28                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17 16:56                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 19:47             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11  3:21               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 13:33                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 14:04                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 21:05                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 22:01                       ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 23:04                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-12  4:36                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  8:20                       ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-15 16:47                         ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-16  7:48                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 15:24                           ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-18  5:24                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-18  8:28                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-09-22 15:34                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 16:26                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23  8:34                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23 10:49                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-23 13:57                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  1:47                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  2:03                                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24  2:26                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24 10:49                                     ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24  3:03                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 17:25                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 20:56                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-11 23:10                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 23:33                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-12  4:03                         ` tmoran
2003-09-12  5:02                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 20:11                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-13 17:05                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 17:31                                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-13 19:07                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14  1:38                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-14 19:53                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  8:33                                     ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-14 20:14                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-15 15:09                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  4:32                                 ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-12 16:02                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-12 18:17                             ` Ed Falis
2003-09-14  1:41                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-15 17:00                               ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 21:38                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-11 23:19                       ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]                     ` <u9v2mvgt0ih71a8i780bmos6nrik4v23l9@4ax.com>
2003-09-15  9:33                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  7:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17  1:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17 15:42                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12  4:00                   ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-12  8:30                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-11  8:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 17:28                 ` Can MI be supported? (Was: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-13 18:31                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14  1:50                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-14 23:33                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-15  1:24                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15 14:08                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 20:33                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-08 14:36         ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Ed Falis
2003-09-08 14:55           ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-08 16:35             ` Ed Falis
2003-09-08 17:35             ` Robert Spooner
2003-09-09  7:17               ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-09  1:47       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  6:46         ` Russ
2003-09-09  8:19           ` Dr. Michael Paus
2003-09-11  3:03             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09 20:35           ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-14  6:24   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 10:51     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-14 12:49       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 19:59         ` Russ
2003-09-15  0:46           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  7:11             ` Russ
2003-09-15 17:48               ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-17  0:29                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17  4:56                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-17 19:10                     ` Russ
2003-09-17 20:13                       ` Martin Dowie
2003-09-18  6:48                         ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-18 16:06                           ` Martin Dowie
2003-09-18 21:00                             ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-18 22:37                           ` Russ
2003-09-19 20:14                           ` Robert A Duff
2003-09-23 10:48                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-23 18:59                         ` Russ
2003-09-24 14:17                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-25  0:42                             ` Russ
2003-09-25  8:22                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25  9:11                               ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:29                                 ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? [although this thread changed to something else a long time ago] Jeff C,
2003-09-25 11:34                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:36                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:39                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25 19:11                                   ` Russ
2003-09-25 19:40                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25 19:56                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-26  7:55                                       ` Russ
2003-09-26  9:58                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-26 13:05                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-26 18:41                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-26 19:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-27 19:09                                         ` Russ
2003-09-27 22:43                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  3:12                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-28 10:56                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-29 19:37                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  8:36                                           ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-28  1:29                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-25 15:55                                 ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Wes Groleau
2003-09-25 16:11                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 16:36                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-25 23:41                                     ` Russ
2003-09-26 19:45                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  8:48                                         ` Russ
2003-09-28 14:32                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 23:38                                             ` Russ
2003-09-29 20:07                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-22 13:15                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23  7:05                       ` Russ
2003-09-23  8:10                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-18  5:05               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-14 22:45     ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-07  6:19 ` Mike Silva
2003-09-07  6:58 ` David Marceau
2003-09-07 21:55   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-08 12:57   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-07 13:23 ` chris
2003-09-11  7:19   ` David Marceau
2003-09-14  6:41     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14  6:34   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-07 14:20 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09 14:39   ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-07 15:41 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-07 19:06   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-10  4:43   ` John R. Strohm
2003-09-10 16:35     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-14  6:55       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-07 16:13 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-07 22:21   ` chris
2003-09-07 23:31     ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-07 23:10       ` chris
2003-09-08  2:11         ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-08 15:01     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-08 15:51       ` chris
2003-09-10  6:09         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-13 11:57       ` Michael Erdmann
2003-09-10  4:44   ` John R. Strohm
2003-09-10 14:15     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-10 16:40       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-11  0:01         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-12 12:39           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-08  0:34 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-09-08  1:36 ` David Emery
2003-09-08 20:07   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-08  3:40 ` William J. Thomas
2003-09-08 19:36   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-08 21:14     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-09  8:28       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10 19:09         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 17:07           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-11 21:36             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  2:23               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-15  6:58                 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-15  9:17                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08  8:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08 19:50   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  8:36     ` Peter Amey
2003-09-09  8:43     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10  0:53       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  8:22         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10 12:36           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-10 13:48             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10 16:56             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 20:08             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 12:35               ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-11 13:51                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12  5:45                   ` Anders Wirzenius [this message]
2003-09-12  9:00                     ` Management, was:Is " Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 12:39                   ` Is " Marin David Condic
2003-09-12 16:50                     ` tmoran
2003-09-12 16:50                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 12:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-13 19:16                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  3:48                     ` Russ
2003-09-13 12:27                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-14 22:30                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-15 16:38                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
     [not found]                   ` <wvbrisnulbiy.fsf@sun.com>
2003-09-16 15:20                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-16 16:38                       ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-17 12:26                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-17 12:56                           ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-10 16:45           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-12 18:55           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-15 12:38             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16  1:36               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-16 13:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17  3:15                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-17 16:08                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17 22:16                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-18  7:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-18 18:46                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-19  8:17                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-20  1:44                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-22 11:48                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-22 13:38                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-22 14:22                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-22 16:45                                       ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-23  8:15                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 16:00                                           ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-24  8:42                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 14:15                                               ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-22 18:24                                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-23  4:05                                         ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-25 17:13                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-23  8:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23  7:17                                       ` Russ
2003-09-24  2:17                                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-23 16:06                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-23 16:57                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-25 17:16                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-23  2:05                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-23  9:14                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  2:52                                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-24  9:45                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-25  2:51                                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-25  9:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-25 21:12                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-26  8:48                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-26 17:22                                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-29  8:43                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08 12:43 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-08 19:15 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-09 16:48   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-09 21:16     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-10 16:58       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 12:46     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-08 19:58 ` Gautier Write-only
2003-09-13 17:52 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-15 16:31   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-16  0:22     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-16  0:38     ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-15 16:34   ` chris
2003-09-14 17:03 ` JM
2003-09-14 21:05   ` Russ
2003-09-14 21:37   ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-15 16:34   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-15 18:07     ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-16  0:29 ` Inheritance was " chris
2003-09-16 21:41   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-25 18:04 ` Jan Kroken
2003-09-25 21:50   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-25 22:06     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26  1:53       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-26  2:31         ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26  5:40           ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-26  8:51           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-26 10:47             ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 10:56               ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-26 13:00                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26 17:43                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 19:07                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26 22:27                     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 22:59                       ` tmoran
2003-09-26 23:16                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-26 17:41           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 19:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-29  2:46           ` Craig Carey
2003-09-30  2:20             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30  3:24               ` tmoran
2003-09-30 12:33                 ` (see below)
2003-09-30 20:50                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 22:13                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-30  7:01               ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-30 12:30                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 12:35                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-30 13:02                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 14:28                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-09-30 21:01                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 22:01                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-01 12:47                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-01 17:36                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-01 20:15                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-02  7:29                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 14:18                               ` Counter-proposal for variable arrays Wes Groleau
2003-10-03 20:29                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-03 21:06                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-04  8:31                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-04 12:10                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-05  6:03                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-06 16:05                                         ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-07  9:23                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-10-08  8:57                                             ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-10  3:12                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-08  7:01                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-05  5:52                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-06 13:12                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08  6:56                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-08  7:36                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 17:54                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-09  8:19                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-09 14:33                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-09 16:27                                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-16  0:52                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-16  7:38                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-17 21:20                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-18 10:05                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 19:48                               ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03 20:30                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-03 21:42                                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-05  0:49                                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-06 12:25                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-06 22:57                                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-07  8:21                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-16  0:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-16  7:27                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-04  1:43                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-04 11:28                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-06 12:07                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 18:05                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-04 13:48                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-06 12:14                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 14:16                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-08 14:58                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 23:37                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-09  7:52                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-10 17:21                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 23:46                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 12:28                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 17:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-01 12:17                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 13:50                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-10-02  0:38                         ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                           ` <NhMeb.477065$Oz4.311358@rwcrnsc54>
2003-10-02 12:31                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20  7:43                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-10-20 12:20                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02  4:17                         ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 21:54                       ` tmoran
2003-10-02  0:50                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 20:03                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03 12:22                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 12:26                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-03 12:36                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 14:24                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-03 18:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04  1:49                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 12:31                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 13:54                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 21:10                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-06 17:09                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-06 23:26                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-06 16:47                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-08 17:57                                     ` A nongeneric bounded string array type (was Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?) Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-09 16:47                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-10 17:40                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-15 16:11                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-16 14:47                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-16 16:39                                               ` A nongeneric bounded string array type (in database code) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-16 23:45                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 13:15                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-17 15:05                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 19:38                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-17 22:52                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-02  9:19                       ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 12:37                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 13:07                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 16:39                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 16:44                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20  7:42                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-30 14:58                   ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-10-01 11:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 17:33                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-02  1:29                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02 12:24                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 20:50                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02 19:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03  1:55                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02  4:14                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-30 17:43                   ` tmoran
2003-10-02 19:30                   ` Simon Wright
2003-10-20  7:39                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-30 12:21               ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 13:56                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-01 12:34                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02  7:41                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 12:42                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 14:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-30 20:42               ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-09-26  3:21       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-26  0:05   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 12:52   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-26 13:09     ` chris
2003-09-26 17:46       ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 17:57         ` chris
2003-09-29 14:58           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 21:46         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27  0:53     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-27 14:34       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27 19:24         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-28  2:38         ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-28 14:46           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 19:58             ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-29  3:17             ` Hyman Rosen
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