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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: [Ada] made me hate programming
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:50:24 -0500
Date: 2010-07-01T18:50:24-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <i0j9k1$fg2$1@munin.nbi.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4c2cb60f$0$7651$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net

"Georg Bauhaus" <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de> wrote in message 
news:4c2cb60f$0$7651$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
...
> Much less so when the messages are like the ones Peter Chapin has
> quoted (about overload resolution). They make me think of a
> language profile that disallows overloading.
> Once you have it, the confusing messages are gone, or replaced
> with something that has meaning in the context of the language profile.
> (Lack of overloading is arguably a desirable quality of
> real world programming languages, if one includes SPARK and Eiffel.
> If someone feels artificially deprived of programming powers,
> you can say that once overloading is explained, we'll see some
> algorithms that use it.)

I don't see any particular need for such a profile, at least in the case of 
overloading.

Janus/Ada produces error messages ignoring overloading when that is 
possible. For instance, if there is only one Put_String routine, the call:
    Put_String (10);
would get the message: "Unable to resolve - parameter has wrong type" with 
the arrow pointing at "10". The error handler also tries to make sensible 
messages for predefined math operators.

Thus, the reason you get unintelligible messages is that you are using 
heavily overloaded routines in student programs (like Text_IO). Don't do 
that and the problem pretty much goes away (at least until the students are 
taught about overloading, but hopefully by then they'll be better equiped to 
handle the complexity).

[Unfortunately, if we can't make a sensible message, we fall back on "Unable 
to resolve" with no other information, which is frustrating even to someone 
that has been programming in Ada for 25 years [that is, me]. We could never 
figure out a way to present the possibilities that made any sense; AdaCore 
has done a better job here.]

                                     Randy.









  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-01 23:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-30  5:23 ADA made me hate programming mahdert
2010-06-30  5:33 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-30  5:42   ` mahdert
2010-06-30 16:49     ` Warren
2010-06-30 18:12   ` George Orwell
2010-06-30  6:40 ` anon
2010-06-30 19:07   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-07-01  1:38     ` starwars
2010-07-01  4:57     ` anon
2010-07-01 13:22       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-01 14:00         ` (see below)
2010-07-01 17:11         ` anon
2010-07-01 21:16           ` Wilson
2010-07-02  7:01             ` anon
2010-07-02 15:54             ` Non scrivetemi
2010-07-02 16:10               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-02 16:55                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-07-06  5:37             ` David Thompson
2010-07-01 23:29           ` Randy Brukardt
2010-07-02  6:07             ` anon
2010-08-20 22:44             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-07-02 10:45           ` sjw
2010-07-02 18:04             ` anon
2010-07-02 18:53               ` Simon Wright
2010-07-03  1:54                 ` anon
2010-07-03 13:16                   ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-03 21:50                     ` anon
2010-07-04 11:40                       ` Simon Wright
2010-07-04 23:15                         ` anon
2010-07-05  6:00                           ` Simon Wright
2010-07-04 17:52                       ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-04 23:22                         ` anon
2010-07-05  0:22                           ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-05 10:49                             ` anon
2010-07-05 21:50                               ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-06 11:15                                 ` Stephen Leake
2010-07-06 12:25                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-06 19:22                                   ` Simon Wright
2010-07-06 20:03                                     ` anon
2010-07-06 19:55                                 ` anon
2010-07-06 22:51                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-07  0:10                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-08  0:23                                     ` anon
2010-07-09  0:14                                       ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-03 21:43                   ` Simon Wright
2010-08-21  0:33                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21 10:05                       ` Simon Wright
2010-08-20 22:30           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-23 15:38             ` Warren
2010-08-20 21:57       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-20 22:00       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-07-01 13:29     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-08-21  0:40       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-30  7:00 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-30  8:36   ` tonyg
2010-06-30 23:14     ` Phil Clayton
2010-07-01 12:58     ` Lucretia
2010-06-30  9:37 ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-30 17:05   ` [Ada] " Warren
2010-06-30 21:10     ` Kulin Remailer
2010-07-02 20:03       ` Warren
2010-07-06  5:37       ` David Thompson
2010-06-30 23:42     ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-07-01 14:14       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-01 14:27         ` (see below)
2010-07-01 15:36           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-01 18:54             ` (see below)
2010-07-01 22:00               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-01 22:11                 ` (see below)
2010-07-02  8:28                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-02 17:52                   ` Non scrivetemi
2010-07-02 19:00                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-05 12:40                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-02 14:07                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-01 19:34             ` Simon Wright
2010-07-02 20:30               ` Warren
2010-07-01 23:50             ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2010-07-02  7:39               ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                 ` <11xsi9ilnamk6$.1r1kaahru68b1.dlg@40tude.net>
2010-07-02 10:35                   ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                     ` <u94jhtubncu$.2l0z5ep3q0kw.dlg@40tude.net>
2010-07-02 13:24                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-02 14:25                         ` Peter Hermann
2010-07-02 18:51                           ` anon
2010-07-02 14:26                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-02 18:56                       ` Simon Wright
2010-08-21  0:54     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-23 15:51       ` Warren
2010-08-23 16:44         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-23 16:57           ` Warren
2010-08-23 20:25         ` Reporting bugs in GNAT (was: [Ada] made me hate programming) Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-23 21:29           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-23 22:02             ` Reporting bugs in GNAT Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-24 13:32           ` Reporting bugs in GNAT (was: [Ada] made me hate programming) Warren
2010-08-24 17:41             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-26 12:53               ` Warren
2010-08-26 19:01                 ` Reporting bugs in GNAT Simon Wright
2010-08-26 19:53                   ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-26 20:22                     ` Simon Wright
     [not found] ` <m7mkuvmw72ec.1fan4hqr668s6.dlg@40tude.net>
2010-06-30 10:00   ` ADA made me hate programming Pascal Obry
2010-06-30 18:54   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-30 19:40     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-01  5:15       ` Simon Wright
2010-07-01 13:11         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-01 18:07       ` Gautier write-only
2010-07-01  0:34     ` Kulin Remailer
2010-07-01  4:47 ` Wilson
2010-07-06 21:59 ` Pablo
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