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From: BrianG <briang000@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:04:45 -0400
Date: 2010-06-23T20:04:45-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <hvu7ap$r2s$1@news.eternal-september.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <hvmee8$ksm$1@speranza.aioe.org>

Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
> On 6/20/2010 5:29 PM, Ludovic Brenta wrote:
> 
>> Show them that no, C is not "good enough".
>>
> 
> This is what I said earlier. show them, but with small clear code 
> examples,  side-by-side, Ada vs. C, show why in each example, Ada is 
> better.
> 
As others have said, larger examples are better for showing the 
advantages of Ada.  However, this may make for a less practical 
demonstration.  In this case, another way is to use examples from your 
(the OP's) actual code.  Show areas that have been the source of 
problems, and how Ada could avoid those problems.

More generally, I would (in an ideal world) look at the problems that 
occur in the entire development process and what changes would avoid them.

> Making lectures to C programmer about how much better Ada is in the 
> abstract, will not work, it will sound like a politician making a 
> typical speech about how good a job they will do if elected.
> 
> btw, if someone is really good in C, and very careful, and stick to the 
> standard, they can produce solid code.
> 
> Many large applications are written in C all the time, the problem I 
> think, is that it takes more skill and effort to produce as reliable 
> code in C as with Ada, but it can be done, given more effort, skill, 
> time and money, and lots of coffee.
> 
Coffee?  Coffee?  I thought "real coders" always relied on Mt.Dew, or 
Jolt.  Or today maybe Red Bull, etc. :-)

The other problem is that the time is usually spent at the tail end of 
development (testing) rather than at the front end.

> --Nasser
> 
> 
--Bg



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-24  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-19 23:01 Advice on selling Ada to a C shop usenet
2010-06-20  6:17 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-20  6:24 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 14:07   ` Warren
2010-06-20  7:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-20  7:40   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-20 12:46     ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-21 14:23       ` Warren
2010-06-25 17:34         ` Marco
2010-06-28 13:22           ` Warren
2010-06-29  8:42             ` Stephen Leake
2010-07-01 21:09               ` Per Sandberg
2010-08-21  3:53               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:22                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 10:10                   ` Simon Wright
2010-08-22  0:16                   ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-20  9:34 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 12:35   ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-20 17:44   ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-20 18:06     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 21:13       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21  0:29         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21  1:14           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-21  8:10             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-24  0:04             ` BrianG [this message]
2010-06-28 13:37               ` Warren
2010-06-21  8:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21  9:22           ` George Orwell
2010-06-21 13:59             ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21  4:28               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:21                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 11:06                 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 14:40             ` Warren
2010-06-21 17:38               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 20:04                 ` Warren
2010-06-21 19:47               ` starwars
2010-06-21 20:07                 ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:33           ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:29       ` Warren
2010-06-22  5:01         ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-08-21  4:11     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:01       ` Pascal Obry
2010-08-21  9:24       ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21  8:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-21  9:58   ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-23 15:36   ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 13:43 ` Warren
2010-06-22 15:00 ` Lucretia
2010-06-22 18:01   ` anon
2010-06-22 19:06     ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-23 16:20       ` anon
2010-06-23 18:19         ` (see below)
2010-06-23 22:28           ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-23 19:57         ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-23 20:50           ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-23 21:24             ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-29 20:30             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-29 20:35               ` Adam Beneschan
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2010-07-01 11:32                 ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-23 21:33           ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-24 17:25             ` anon
2010-06-24 22:18               ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-24  7:48           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-24 17:24             ` anon
2010-06-24 19:34               ` Maciej Sobczak
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2010-07-06  5:37       ` David Thompson
2010-07-06 11:14         ` anon
2010-07-09 13:21           ` Marco
2010-07-09 13:45             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-09 14:12               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-09 15:08                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-22 18:06 ` Phil Clayton
2010-06-22 20:25   ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-22 21:00 ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-23  7:17   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-23  7:40     ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-23 11:17       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-23 18:38         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-23  8:08     ` Gautier write-only
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