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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: for S'Image use Func??
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:17:33 -0500
Date: 2010-05-08T19:17:33-05:00	[thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: op.vccvt1ybxmjfy8@garhos

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"Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr> wrote in message 
news:op.vccvt1ybxmjfy8@garhos...
Le Fri, 07 May 2010 23:27:55 +0200, Randy Brukardt <randy@rrsoftware.com>
a �crit:
...
>> It doesn't work very well, either, if you are outputting to a message box 
>> or
>> to a log manager: in both cases the entire message string has to be 
>> passed
>> at once. (That's the case in virtually all of my newer programs.) Not 
>> many
>> real programs do much output to Standard Output.
>
>There are alternatives, and here are two.
>
>The first one : the log manager could have an open/close logic to output a 
>log line.

That's what mine does, but its purpose is to serialize logging from all of 
the tasks in the system, all of which are doing their own thing without any 
special synchronization. If we tried to write parts of each message, we'd 
get a bunch of interspersed parts (or we'd have to have a very complex 
system of saving the parts inside the manager until the entire line is 
available). The other purpose is to make the logs available for inspection 
at any time (the programs in question are Windows services, so they run for 
months at a time); that's why they aren't just held open all the time.

...
> Another alternative I have used some months ago, was to use an abstraction 
> of what a text is : I was passing procedure writing text instead of 
> strings (to be exact, this was not access to procedures, this was tagged 
> types with a single method).

Interestingly, that's how the tasks find out which particular log they are 
supposed to be writing to: I pass an access-to-logging-routine.

It's also a way to do I/O from Pure/Preelaborated packages.

But you need two such routines if you plan to allow separating basic writing 
and ending of a line: New_Line is not a character, you know! (At least not 
if you are writing a portable Ada program, and want to work on many 
different targets.)

> I'm not to say this is an easy suitable for beginners (as we were also 
> talking about ease of access for beginners), I'm just exposing this as 
> example alternatives to the one-string-bulk way.

But none work very well, because you still have to identify the end of the 
line. Either you have to designate a magic character for that purpose, 
leaving Ada far behind (and also requiring scanning each string as well), or 
you need multiple routines (as Text_IO does). Whole line at a time is 
easiest, IMHO, and matches what you want to do enough of the time that there 
isn't much advantage to doing anything else. YMMV.

                   Randy.





  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-09  0:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-06 17:10 for S'Image use Func?? Warren
2010-05-06 17:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-06 20:05   ` Warren
2010-05-06 17:58 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-06 19:52   ` Warren
2010-05-07  8:12     ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-08  5:26       ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-10 15:16       ` Charmed Snark
2010-05-07  2:10   ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 18:24     ` Keith Thompson
2010-05-06 18:14 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-06 20:04   ` Warren
2010-05-06 20:19     ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-06 20:56       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-06 21:11         ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07  8:40           ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-07 12:21             ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 13:37               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-07 14:25                 ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 15:46                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 17:38                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-07 20:15                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 20:28                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-07 21:16                           ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 22:18                             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-09  0:06                               ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-09  0:31                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-07 20:31                     ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 20:51                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 21:07                         ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 21:25                       ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 22:16                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-10 15:48                   ` Warren
2010-05-10 16:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-10 16:52                       ` Warren
2010-05-10 17:55                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-10 18:50                           ` Warren
2010-05-10 19:20                             ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-10 20:16                               ` Warren
2010-05-10 20:38                                 ` Simon Wright
2010-05-10 20:52                                   ` Warren
2010-05-11 17:38                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-11 18:19                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 20:36                                       ` Warren
2010-05-11  7:34                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-11  7:56                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 16:56                                     ` Warren
2010-05-13 18:53                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-11 16:49                                   ` Warren
2010-05-11  8:26                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11  9:49                               ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-11 17:06                                 ` Warren
2010-05-12  5:00                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-12 14:39                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-12 16:52                                       ` Warren
2010-05-13 18:20                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-17 10:00                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-20  9:31                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-21  6:56                                           ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-11 14:27                               ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-11 15:03                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 15:45                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 15:23                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 16:59                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 17:05                               ` Warren
2010-05-11 17:54                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 20:50                                   ` Charmed Snark
2010-05-11 19:03                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 20:53                                   ` Warren
2010-05-10 20:56                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-10 20:24                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-11  7:42                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-10 21:30                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-11  8:35                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 13:35                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-11 14:24                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 20:18                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-11 21:46                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 13:16                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-12 14:33                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-12 15:58                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 22:14                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-13  7:31                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-13 13:16                                                 ` Warren
2010-05-14 21:03                                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-15  8:35                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-15 20:50                                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-16  7:48                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-16 20:56                                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-16 21:31                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 15:56                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 17:15                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 18:48                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10 22:24                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11  7:58                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-11 15:54                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 20:23                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-10 22:39                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 17:17                               ` Warren
2010-05-11 17:59                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 20:56                                   ` Warren
2010-05-11 22:06                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 13:27                                       ` Warren
2010-05-12 16:03                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 18:57                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 21:08                                   ` Warren
2010-05-11 19:56                               ` Gautier write-only
2010-05-12 13:33                                 ` Warren
2010-05-07 15:35                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 20:33                   ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 21:27                     ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 21:36                       ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 22:09                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-09  0:17                         ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2010-05-07 19:56               ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-07 20:14                 ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 20:17                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 20:41                   ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-06 21:20         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-10 15:26       ` Ada & gdb (was: for S'Image use Func??) Warren
2010-05-10 18:02         ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-10 19:52           ` Warren
2010-05-06 22:33     ` for S'Image use Func?? Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-06 23:22       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07  2:17         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 12:27           ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 15:19             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 20:19               ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 21:11             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-10 16:05             ` Warren
2010-05-19  6:26               ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 15:21           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10 16:03       ` Warren
2010-05-06 18:50 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-06 19:50   ` Warren
2010-05-06 20:22     ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-06 21:25       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-07  2:20         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07  7:28           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-07 10:15         ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-07 15:07           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-08  5:38             ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-07 19:29           ` Simon Wright
2010-05-07 20:10             ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 19:44               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-07 20:53                 ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 21:59               ` Simon Wright
2010-05-09  0:20                 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07  8:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-10 16:18   ` Warren
2010-05-10 17:54     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-10 19:57       ` Warren
2010-05-10 19:09     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10 20:01       ` Warren
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