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From: "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Why is Ada considered  "too specialized" for scientific use
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:14:22 -0400
Date: 2010-04-23T12:14:22-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <hqshuh12ttj@news4.newsguy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4bd19a2b$0$895$c30e37c6@exi-reader.telstra.net>

On 4/23/2010 3:29 AM, robin wrote:
> "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"<spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid>  wrote in message
> news:4bc6e42f$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net...
> | In<4bc5a413$0$78577$c30e37c6@exi-reader.telstra.net>, on 04/14/2010
> |   at 07:27 PM, "robin"<robin51@dodo.com.au>  said:
> |
> |>That's irrelevant.
> |
> | The dispute is about the development of algorithms,
>
> No it isn't.
> But if you want original development, try
> 1. Compilers, typically first written in 1950s in machine code.

I think that's a very solid case--there was no need for such a thing 
before there was machine code so there was no incentive for anybody to 
even look for the necessary algorithms, although some of the pieces may 
have had prior development, and you can't use a high level language 
until you have a working compiler for it (although I understand that in 
some cases the "compiler" was a grad student).

> 2. Nuclear codes.

Were the algorithms they used developed to be used on computers or were 
they computer implementations of the hand and card-machine algorithms 
that were used during the development of the bomb?  Los Alamos didn't 
have a mechanical computer you know--"computer" at Los Alamos was a job 
title--but they did have a room full of punch-card machines and a group 
of teenagers doing amazing things with them.

> 3. Computer-generated music

Don't know anything about that.

> 4. Random number generation.

How were random numbers generated before computers? Did they not have 
viable algorithms for the purpose?
>
> | not about their
> | transcription. The question of whether Ada actually developed the
> | Fibonacci algorithm is highly relevant to that question.
>
> That's complerely irrelevant.
>
>




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Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-04  4:46 Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-04  5:30 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-04-06 15:04   ` Adam Beneschan
2010-04-04  7:10 ` Pascal Obry
2010-04-04 18:24 ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-06  9:52   ` Peter Hermann
2010-04-07 20:08   ` Denis McMahon
2010-04-04 20:53 ` Andrea Taverna
2010-04-13 20:31   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-14 16:00     ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-14 19:18       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-04 23:41 ` Jerry
2010-04-05  0:29   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05  9:09 ` mockturtle
2010-04-05 11:20   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-05 11:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-05 16:44   ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-06 14:03     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-06 16:39       ` Warren
2010-04-06 17:53         ` Sebastian Hanigk
2010-04-06 20:45           ` Warren
2010-04-07  9:17           ` MRE
2010-04-08 10:10           ` Ken Thomas
2010-04-08 16:40             ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:34               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08 20:13                 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-06 19:53       ` J. Clarke
2010-04-06 21:37         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  4:25           ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  6:43             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 12:53               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07 16:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 17:05             ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-07 19:41               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  2:03       ` BrianG
2010-04-07  9:08         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08  0:20           ` BrianG
2010-04-08  2:29             ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-08  7:04             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-14 21:34     ` Florian Weimer
2010-04-05 20:51   ` none
2010-04-06  1:18     ` robin
2010-04-06 12:00       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-06 15:30         ` robin
2010-04-06 23:44           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:32             ` robin
2010-04-14 12:12               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-14 15:20                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-15  4:15                   ` J. Clarke
2010-04-15 10:04               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-15 15:10                 ` robin
2010-04-15 22:06                   ` Nomen Nescio
2010-04-16  0:02                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-17  8:43                     ` robin
2010-04-18 17:15                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22  1:39                         ` robin
2010-04-22  9:59                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22 12:49                             ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-22 13:20                             ` robin
2010-05-14 10:50                 ` robin
2010-05-16  1:23                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17  9:23                     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:05                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17 10:09                         ` robin
2010-05-17 15:57                         ` robin
2010-05-19 14:55                           ` Richard Harter
2010-04-07 19:27           ` Simon Wright
2010-04-08  2:01             ` robin
2010-04-08 15:27             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:27               ` robin
2010-04-15 10:02                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-23  7:29                   ` robin
2010-04-23 16:14                     ` J. Clarke [this message]
2010-04-23 21:51                       ` Peter Flass
2010-04-23 23:25                         ` Sjouke Burry
2010-04-24  0:18                           ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-24  1:05                             ` Richard Maine
2010-04-24  0:23                           ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-04-24  0:30                           ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-04-26 15:28                             ` Warren
2010-04-25  2:43                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-16 11:04               ` sjw
2010-04-18 17:26                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-05 10:58                 ` robin
2010-06-06  4:25                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 14:53                     ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-06 15:15                       ` J. Clarke
     [not found]                         ` <4c0cbc04$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-07 13:23                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 18:50                             ` George Orwell
2010-06-08  1:21                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:26                         ` Peter Hermann
2010-06-06 17:10                       ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-06 19:17                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-08  6:27                           ` James J. Weinkam
2010-06-08  7:13                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08 10:43                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:23                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:03                             ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-07  9:39                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:16                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 18:33                       ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-06 15:12                     ` robin
2010-06-07  9:45                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:10                         ` robin
2010-06-09 10:48                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 23:59                             ` robin
2010-06-10 10:06                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:52                                 ` robin
2010-06-10 13:49                                   ` Richard Harter
2010-06-06 15:19                     ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 16:51                       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 17:51                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  9:38                         ` robin
2010-06-08 10:07                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:54                             ` robin
2010-06-07  9:41                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:15                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 19:12                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 20:39                           ` John B. Matthews
2010-06-07  0:17                             ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  6:02                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 23:01                         ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07  0:18                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  5:34                             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  9:48                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 10:36                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 16:18                                 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-07 22:03                                   ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:00                                     ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08  1:16                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  5:31                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  6:15                         ` robin
2010-06-07 10:40                           ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 12:35                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 13:29                               ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 21:04                                 ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07 21:56                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:06                                   ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08 10:11                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 10:01                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:16                                   ` robin
2010-06-08  1:22                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:35                               ` robin
2010-06-07 14:56                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:07                               ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 15:08                               ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-06-07 15:23                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:34                                   ` (see below)
2010-06-08  9:57                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 21:57                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:02                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08  9:53                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:54                                   ` robin
2010-06-08 11:23                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 10:50                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:47                                     ` robin
     [not found]                                       ` <4c0fa318$1$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-09 23:54                                         ` robin
2010-06-10 10:48                                           ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-10 15:12                                             ` robin
     [not found]                                           ` <4c10b858$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-10 10:59                                             ` robin
2010-06-07 12:50                             ` Robert AH Prins
2010-06-07 14:22                             ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-07 21:07                               ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-08  9:54                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:30                             ` robin
2010-06-08 10:14                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:58                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 14:23                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 15:24                             ` Richard Harter
2010-06-07 21:05                               ` Wilson
2010-06-08  1:18                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  9:32                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-25 16:32       ` robin
2010-05-14 10:54     ` robin
2010-04-13 20:18   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-14 11:53     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:26       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-17 13:36         ` Dan Nagle
2010-04-05 17:33 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-05 19:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05 20:28     ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:30       ` Alex Mentis
2010-04-06  0:38     ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-06  8:07       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-06 21:55         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  2:52           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-07 20:07             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-04-07  7:28         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07  8:24           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 11:59             ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07 13:44               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 20:21                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-08 11:53                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-08 13:40 ` Vincent LAFAGE
2010-04-08 16:29   ` Georg Bauhaus
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