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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Operation can be dispatching in only one type
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:29:49 -0600
Date: 2009-12-02T23:29:49-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <hf7icf$ffm$1@munin.nbi.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1jcbtmi5rztyp$.norvlhez9i9$.dlg@40tude.net

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
news:1jcbtmi5rztyp$.norvlhez9i9$.dlg@40tude.net...
...
> No the problem is whether to treat a call to the body as legal. The 
> problem
> is that you could not rely on its contract (out Car), in order to be able
> to decide whether this call would "initialize" the object.
>
> BTW, you consider ":=" as an initialization, but why? Where is a guaranty
> that it initializes the object by a "valid" value? I feel that very 
> concept
> is somewhat inconsistent with ADT.

To expand on this point, there are a number of places in Ada where objects 
can become "deinitialized". (Compilation strategies can prevent some of 
these, but at a cost of more checks with the associated loss of performance. 
For instance, Janus/Ada prevents Unchecked_Conversion from deinitializing 
scalar objects -- but to do so requires that range/validity checks be done 
on the results of some conversions -- hardly "unchecked").

Other places (such as the result of Stream'Read and the results of 
Sequential_IO.Read for composite types, and especially abort) can't be 
eliminated in any reasonable way.

If you really care about this topic, I suggest you read and reread 13.9.1 
until you understand it. (Then join the ARG and explain it to the rest of 
us. ;-)! This is not at all a simple topic, and the sort of simple rule used 
by Java does little other than give a false sense of security (and a lot of 
annoying errors in code that has no problems).

                               Randy.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-03  5:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-13 20:12 Operation can be dispatching in only one type xorque
2009-11-13 20:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-13 20:43   ` xorque
2009-11-13 21:14     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-13 20:44   ` xorque
2009-11-16 17:43 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-16 20:28   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-16 20:32     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-16 21:35     ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-16 22:28       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-17 22:10         ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-18  9:46           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-18 16:39             ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-18 19:21               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-19  0:27                 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-19  2:11                   ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-19 15:57                     ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-19 19:39                       ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-19 23:43                         ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-19  8:50                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-19 23:54                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-20  8:34                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-20 10:58                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-11-21  6:02                         ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-21 13:07                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22  5:45                         ` xorque
2009-11-22 11:25                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-11-22 11:30                             ` xorque
2009-11-22 16:25                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 16:27                               ` xorque
2009-11-22 16:42                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 16:52                                   ` xorque
2009-11-22 17:41                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 18:03                                       ` xorque
2009-11-22 18:08                                         ` xorque
2009-11-22 18:28                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 18:41                                           ` xorque
2009-11-22 21:47                                           ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-23  3:42                                             ` stefan-lucks
2009-11-30 20:36                                               ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-30 23:54                                                 ` (see below)
2009-12-01 12:13                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 12:23                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 12:44                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 13:48                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 15:02                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 16:18                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 17:52                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 18:47                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 21:53                                                             ` John B. Matthews
2009-12-02  0:32                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-02 11:18                                                                 ` John B. Matthews
2009-12-02 14:29                                                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-12-02 15:35                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-02  1:13                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-02  9:07                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-02 12:35                                                                 ` John B. Matthews
2009-12-02 13:35                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-03  5:23                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-03 20:21                                                                     ` John B. Matthews
2009-12-03  5:29                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2009-12-03 11:24                                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-03 23:08                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-04  8:52                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-05  2:45                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-05 10:32                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-08  0:19                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-08  4:30                                                                               ` stefan-lucks
2009-12-08  9:12                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-10  4:09                                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-11  0:10                                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2009-12-08  9:22                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-08 10:06                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-08 10:23                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-08 10:33                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-08 10:49                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 23:51                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-23  8:52                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-30 20:43                                               ` Robert A Duff
2009-12-01  9:00                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01  5:45                                                   ` stefan-lucks
2009-12-01 11:12                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01  8:01                                                       ` stefan-lucks
2009-12-01 13:37                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-15 23:54                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-23  7:48                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-11-23  7:58                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-11-19 16:04                 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-19  2:23           ` tmoran
2009-11-19  8:32             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2015-11-23 11:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-11-23 13:05   ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-23 13:48     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-11-23 14:16       ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-23 14:59         ` G.B.
2015-11-23 15:52         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-11-23 17:40 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-11-24  9:08   ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-24 16:44     ` AdaMagica
2015-11-24 17:09     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-11-24 18:37       ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-24 20:18         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-11-24 20:40           ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-24 20:25       ` Niklas Holsti
2015-11-24 21:48         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-11-25  8:24           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-11-25 11:22             ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-25 17:38               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-11-26 11:30                 ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-26 13:14                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-11-26 14:27                     ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-26 15:16                       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-11-26 18:27                         ` Serge Robyns
2015-11-26 21:20                           ` J-P. Rosen
2015-11-27  8:37                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-11-27 12:58                               ` J-P. Rosen
2015-11-27 13:39                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-11-30 22:22                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-12-01  8:46                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-12-01 11:19                                       ` G.B.
2015-12-01 13:56                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-12-01 16:05                                           ` G.B.
2015-12-01 17:58                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-12-02 13:06                                               ` G.B.
2015-12-02 13:31                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-12-02 19:33                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-12-02 19:27                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-11-29 17:59                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-11-30 22:29                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-11-25 12:27             ` G.B.
2015-11-25 17:25               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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