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From: Cesar Rabak <csrabak@yahoo.com.br>
Subject: Re: Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:02:08 -0300
Date: 2009-07-21T12:02:08-03:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <h44l9m$uid$1@aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: prv34h.o2c.ln@hunter.axlog.fr

Jean-Pierre Rosen escreveu:
> Cesar Rabak a �crit :
>> Ludovic Brenta escreveu:
[snipped]
>> More or less. It has all the operations of the derived type, uses the
>> same representation on the machine.  The incompatibility is syntactic no
>> in its essence.
>>
> Here is the crux of the misunderstanding: sure, at /machine/ level they
> are the same, but in the /problem domain/ they are different. The big
> difference between Ada an other languages is that types (even elementary
> ones) reflect the problem domain, not machine types.

Yes but the crux is another: the four 'new types' suggested for solution 
to a problem shown by B. Meyers in Ada language for the need of 
different function signatures *do not* reflect the problem domain: for 
the later all the numbers are just this _numbers�_.  The Ada 
implementation in order to be able to have two different 'constructors' 
for the new type Point (this indeed a *new* type) created through its 
mechanisms subtypes, which only send the trash over the wall.  All this 
discussion about avoiding programmer errors can be attained instead of 
creating four nicknames for Float to allow:

procedure makePointXY(X : Float; Y : Float) is
    begin
       null; --Whatever.
    end;

procedure makePoint_R_Theta(R : Float; Theta : Float) is
    begin
       null; --Whatever.
    end;

Do you agree the programmer will find the mistake easily as well?

--
Cesar Rabak

[1] Specializations of the concept for say a screen where coordinates 
are integers and limited to screeen area, for example are not being 
discussed here, as are not the kernel of Meyer's critique.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-21 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 285+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-18 14:19 Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 14:42 ` Richard Harter
2009-07-18 14:53 ` Francois PIETTE
2009-07-18 15:23   ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-18 18:27     ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 18:46       ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-04 20:09         ` Hendrik Boom
2009-08-04 21:35           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-18 18:57       ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 15:18 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 13:50   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-19 14:06     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-20 10:13   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-08-04 20:12     ` Hendrik Boom
2009-07-21 12:03   ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 13:25     ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-18 15:50 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-18 16:31   ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-18 19:48   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 10:34   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-23 22:58   ` A few Ada questions Andrea Taverna
2009-07-24  0:28     ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-24  9:07       ` AdaMagica
2009-07-28  9:48         ` Making a nonlimited type controlled by means of a controlled component Ludovic Brenta
2009-08-14 22:21           ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14 22:51             ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-24  7:00     ` A few Ada questions Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-24 15:26       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 15:01         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-18 16:27 ` Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? BGB / cr88192
2009-07-18 17:41 ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-20 10:39   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 16:17     ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-21 12:10     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 14:40       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-22  0:25         ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-19  1:04 ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-19 13:14   ` mockturtle
2009-07-19 13:35   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-19 15:28     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 17:30       ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-19 18:02       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-19 19:09         ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-19 19:14         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 19:51           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-19 19:52 ` tm
2009-07-20  9:57 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-20 13:42   ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-20 14:37   ` tm
2009-07-20 15:14     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-24  7:26       ` tm
2009-07-24  8:10         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-25 17:39           ` Frank J. Lhota
2009-07-25 18:12             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-24 21:15         ` Wolfgang Ehrhardt
2009-07-24 22:29           ` bartc
2009-07-26 10:55             ` tm
2009-07-26 12:14               ` bartc
2009-07-26 13:21                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-26 15:43                   ` bartc
2009-07-20 15:46     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 16:08     ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-20 19:48     ` Tetrahedral Quartz
2009-07-26  2:26   ` wwilson
2009-07-20 12:15 ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 12:59   ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-20 13:18     ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 13:21       ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-20 14:49         ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 18:33   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 18:49     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-20 19:35       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 21:54         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21  7:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 14:30           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 15:17             ` Martin
2009-07-20 19:23     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 19:55       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 12:49       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-20 19:44     ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 20:14       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 22:22         ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-21  1:33           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21  7:54             ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-21  7:59             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 13:08               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 12:43                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 14:48                 ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 14:45               ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 15:46                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 17:34                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21  8:56             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-21  9:31               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21 15:02               ` Cesar Rabak [this message]
2009-07-21 16:42                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21 18:00                   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-22 14:10                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-22 14:54                       ` Cesar Rabak
2010-03-24  2:46                       ` Robert Love
2010-03-25 15:51                         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 17:37                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 14:08             ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 13:38         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 15:25           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 17:48             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-23 18:47               ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-23 19:20                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-23 21:51                   ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  1:08                   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24  7:04                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-22 19:29   ` sjw
2009-07-22 20:05     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-23 12:01     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24  1:19       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24  8:50         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-24 15:56           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 16:52         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 18:36           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24 21:46           ` Robert A Duff
2009-07-25 14:32             ` jimmaureenrogers
2009-07-25 17:31             ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 12:25 ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 11:41   ` Martin
2009-07-21 14:09     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 13:41       ` Martin
2009-07-21 13:45         ` Martin
2009-07-21 13:58         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 16:06         ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 15:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-22  9:37             ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-22  9:19               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-22  7:53           ` Martin
2009-07-22  9:18             ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 23:17         ` Robert A Duff
2009-07-21 14:12   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-21 14:14     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 14:38     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 15:29       ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-21 16:10     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-22  8:16       ` Martin
2009-07-22 18:59         ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  8:15     ` tm
2009-07-24  9:31       ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  9:42         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-24 13:03           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24 10:15         ` tm
2009-07-24 13:11           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24 13:01             ` tm
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2009-07-25  1:15         ` wwilson
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2009-07-25  9:24             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-26  2:10             ` wwilson
2009-07-26  3:27               ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-26 10:08                 ` bartc
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