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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Ada vs Eiffel - Ada programmer approach
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:52:27 -0500
Date: 2009-06-08T17:52:27-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <h0k4o9$e37$1@munin.nbi.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wccvdn6a55g.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com

"Robert A Duff"  writes:
...
> An invariant (whether it be a pragma, or some special syntax) would be
> attached to a type, and would mean "all objects of this type have
> this property, always" (except that maybe objects can temporarily
> violate their invariant, so long as the code puts it back).
>
> A related concept that has been discussed is "user-defined constraints".
> I'm not sure what the difference is, exactly -- I think with user-defined
> constraints, you can't "temporarily violate".

A user-defined constraint applies to a view (usually via a subtype), while 
an invariant applies to a type (always). For instance, a user-defined 
constraint can apply to a formal parameter but not to the actual parameter 
object (just as any other constraint). Calling such a thing an "invariant" 
would be completely wrong, because it's not invariant at all - the values 
are only checked against the constraints at the points where Ada does 
subtype conversions (and possibly a few others - this is TBD and hopefully 
will be discussed at this week's ARG meeting).

Tucker explains the distinction somewhat in his new draft of AI-146 (to be 
posted tonight, along with the ARG meeting agenda). There also is a partial 
user-defined constraint AI (AI-153), but I got stuck over how invariant we 
want these to be. Check them both out tomorrow.

                                           Randy.





  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-08 22:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-24  8:39 Ada vs Eiffel - Ada programmer approach Tomek Walkuski
2009-05-24 11:49 ` anon
2009-05-24 12:26   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-24 12:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-24 16:31 ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-25 16:32   ` Rugxulo
2009-05-26 13:37   ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-05-26 14:51     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 17:26       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-26 17:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 17:59           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-26 19:52             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 20:14               ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-26 20:25                 ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-26 21:28                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 18:23       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 15:07     ` Tim Rowe
2009-05-26 16:37       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-28  8:37         ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-06-01 16:22         ` Tim Rowe
2009-06-04  7:35       ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  9:46         ` Martin
2009-06-04 12:16           ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  9:56         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-16  6:58         ` ardjussi
2009-06-16 17:22           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 18:21     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 18:35       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04  7:39       ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  9:02         ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-04  9:19           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04 12:14             ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04 14:14               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04 16:45         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-06-04  7:30     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  7:55       ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-04  8:45         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-04  9:03           ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-04 13:25         ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-04 13:39           ` Martin
2009-06-04 13:08             ` stefan-lucks
2009-06-08 12:41           ` Samuel Tardieu
2009-06-08 19:37             ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-08 22:52               ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2009-06-09  7:39                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-10  6:55               ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-10  6:58               ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-10 11:10                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-04  7:04   ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  6:04 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-06 14:27   ` Marco
2009-06-06 15:37     ` Tomek Wałkuski
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