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From: gwinn@res.ray.com (Joe Gwinn)
Subject: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?
Date: 1996/06/27
Date: 1996-06-27T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gwinn-2706961648080001@smc19.ed.ray.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4qqc4s$flv@felix.seas.gwu.edu

In article <4qqc4s$flv@felix.seas.gwu.edu>, mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael
Feldman) wrote:

> In article <gwinn-2506961919470001@smc19.ed.ray.com>,
> Joe Gwinn <gwinn@res.ray.com> wrote:
> >I guess I am not convinced that freeware, although certainly useful, is
> >anything I would normally choose to bet my project on.  Gnu C seems to be
> >the sole exception.  And, development of industrial-strength tool suites
> >requires industrial-strength cashflow.
> >
> Why would you bet your project on GNU C and not on, say, GNU Ada 95?
> Do you have any specific reason for accepting one and rejecting the
> other? Or is this just the usual speculation?
> 
> Mike Feldman

Mainly, because Gnu C has been around a long time and been used by lots of
people, so the problems are mostly solved. Why won't this apply to Gnu
Ada95 et al?  It probably will, eventually.  But not soon enough to matter
for my current projects.  Perhaps in a few years, when the next design-in
window rolls around.

Gnu Ada95 is *very* young, both in years and in miles traveled, and I can
see no reason to be a pioneer here.  Pioneers collect arrows, die famous
but penniless.  For me, it's all risk and no benefit.  My military
customers feel the same way.  And, I must say that their ardor for Ada
seems to be cooling, even as their ardor for COTS grows.

It took Ada83 tool suites something like six years to become sufficiently
mature for us to use it on major projects.  Let's assume that because
Ada95 isn't starting from scratch, it will take only three years.  So,
1995+3= 1998, which is approximately when that next design-in window will
arrive.

Note that the C/C++ world is from ten to one hundred times larger than the
Ada world, and had a 10-year head start.  It's not obvious that Ada,
however perfect it may be, will ever catch up, because the C/C++
"industrial-strength cashflow" is larger than the Ada cashflow by a like
ratio.  The rich always get richer.  It's a matter of market size and
economics, not technology.

Joe Gwinn




  reply	other threads:[~1996-06-27  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-06-21  0:00 Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Bob Crispen
1996-06-25  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25  0:00   ` Michael Feldman
1996-06-27  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn [this message]
1996-06-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-01  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-27  0:00 ` Bob Crispen
1996-06-27  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-28  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-30  0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-03  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-10  0:00       ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-10  0:00         ` David Emery
1996-07-11  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-15  0:00             ` Brad Balfour
1996-07-11  0:00         ` James Rhodes
1996-07-11  0:00         ` Jim Chelini
1996-07-22  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-12  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-30  0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1996-06-30  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-12  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found] <nhd91w250f.fsf@paralysys>
1996-07-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-06-17  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-06-19  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-19  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-14  0:00 Mark Bell
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-06-17  0:00   ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-14  0:00 Mark Bell
1996-05-08  0:00 Howard Dodson
1996-05-08  0:00 ` Thomas C. Timberlake
1996-05-08  0:00 ` David Weller
1996-05-08  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
     [not found]   ` <31913863.446B9B3D@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
1996-05-10  0:00     ` Robert Munck
1996-05-13  0:00       ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-05-13  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-05-14  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1996-05-14  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-17  0:00             ` Robert Munck
1996-06-03  0:00 ` Roy M. Bell
1996-06-09  0:00   ` Peggy Byers
1996-06-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-09  0:00     ` David Weller
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-10  0:00     ` James Krell
1996-06-11  0:00       ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-13  0:00           ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-14  0:00             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-15  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-17  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-20  0:00             ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25  0:00               ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Paul Whittington
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00   ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-12  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-13  0:00       ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-18  0:00           ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18  0:00             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00         ` Carl Bowman
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-14  0:00       ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-13  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-21  0:00   ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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