From: gwinn@res.ray.com (Joe Gwinn)
Subject: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?
Date: 1996/06/25
Date: 1996-06-25T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <gwinn-2506961919470001@smc19.ed.ray.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9606212019.AA11075@eight-ball
I guess I am not convinced that freeware, although certainly useful, is
anything I would normally choose to bet my project on. Gnu C seems to be
the sole exception. And, development of industrial-strength tool suites
requires industrial-strength cashflow.
In article <9606212019.AA11075@eight-ball>, Bob Crispen
<revbob@EIGHT-BALL.HV.BOEING.COM> wrote:
> Joe Gwinn <gwinn@RES.RAY.COM> sez:
>
> >For large-scale use, only a few vendors survive, and consolidations will
> >likely continue. The Ada market is clearly shrinking. I submit the only
> >metric that counts is aggregate revenue to the Ada compiler and tool
> >vendors, as the rate of further development of Ada depends on the size of
> >their food supply. I don't have the revenue figures, but I bet someone on
> >this newsgroup does, and ask that the figures from 1983 to present be
> >posted.
>
> I believe you're suggesting that we measure precisely the wrong thing.
> The existence of gnat (and the phenomenally good performance of gnat
> at this point in its history) has changed the marketplace.
>
> Today compiler vendors don't have to keep a huge staff of compiler
> writers on the payroll. That means that they can focus almost all their
> manpower on product differentiation (e.g., GUI builders, bindings,
> support for niche platforms) and on product support.
>
> Thus, we could see fewer dollars changing hands, but still have a very
> healthy Ada environment.
>
> Gnat has also spawned a small horde of hobbyists who'll never pay a
> cent for their gnat compilers, but who may one day become a truly
> significant force for Ada. Looking at the bucks ignores every single
> one of these people.
>
> Gross revenues, like lines of source code, are easy to measure. But
> that doesn't mean they're *worth* measuring.
>
> Bob.Crispen@boeing.com
> Speaking for myself, not my company
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1996-06-21 0:00 Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Bob Crispen
1996-06-25 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn [this message]
1996-06-25 0:00 ` Michael Feldman
1996-06-27 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-01 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-27 0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-27 0:00 ` Bob Crispen
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-03 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-10 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-10 0:00 ` David Emery
1996-07-11 0:00 ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-15 0:00 ` Brad Balfour
1996-07-11 0:00 ` James Rhodes
1996-07-11 0:00 ` Jim Chelini
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1996-07-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1996-06-17 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-06-19 0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-14 0:00 Mark Bell
1996-06-14 0:00 Mark Bell
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-06-17 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Michael Levasseur
1996-05-08 0:00 Howard Dodson
1996-05-08 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
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1996-05-10 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1996-05-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1996-05-14 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-17 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1996-05-13 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-05-08 0:00 ` David Weller
1996-05-08 0:00 ` Thomas C. Timberlake
1996-06-03 0:00 ` Roy M. Bell
1996-06-09 0:00 ` Peggy Byers
1996-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-09 0:00 ` David Weller
1996-06-10 0:00 ` James Krell
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-13 0:00 ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-20 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-06-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-10 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-10 0:00 ` Paul Whittington
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-13 0:00 ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-18 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Carl Bowman
1996-06-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-13 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-21 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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