From: gwinn@res.ray.com (Joe Gwinn)
Subject: Re: Beware: Rep spec on an enumeration type causes code explosion
Date: 1997/12/12
Date: 1997-12-12T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <gwinn-1212971925480001@dh5055236.res.ray.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: EKxx9n.Ly1.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com
In article <EKxx9n.Ly1.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com>,
stt@houdini.camb.inmet.com (Tucker Taft) wrote:
> Joe Gwinn (gwinn@res.ray.com) wrote:
> : In article <EKrsrr.LD7.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com>,
> : stt@houdini.camb.inmet.com (Tucker Taft) wrote:
>
> : The key issue was that we had no way of knowing the dire consequences of
> : this innocent looking bit of standard Ada, until we had gone a fair
> : distance down that wrong road.
>
> If you ask anyone who knows me well, you will know that I consider
> the enumeration representation clause anything but "innocent looking" ;-).
> For what it is worth, we will soon be releasing a new front end
> that recognizes the special case of a confirming enumeration
> representation clause.
All for the good. But, we will never know Ada as you have known her.
> [ASIDE:
>
[snip]
> So in retrospect, I believe enumeration representation
> clauses in Ada are a mistake. If a user wants to name
> particular values, they should simply use named integer
> constants, or perhaps better, named private-type constants. They can build
> up various maps of their own if they want to translate to/from some kind
> of "holey" representation from/to a contiguous representation.
I guess I would have to agree, because it's certainly too expensive for
realtime use. We will invent some such solution as you suggest.
> END OF ASIDE]
>
> : ... One wonders what other surprises lay in
> : wait.
>
> In general, the Ada language design philosophy eschewed "innocent"
> looking features that were in fact expensive at run-time.
> However, in the specific case of enumeration representation clauses,
> this useful language design philosophy was not completely followed.
> Other cases I know of are interactions between finalization,
> exception handling, and abort, where the combination of features
> forces some or all of these three to incur more run-time overhead
> than you might expect.
>
> One "innocent" looking construct I once found was:
>
> (others => Default_Value(Segment))
>
> used to initialize a segment of a load module to some default value.
> This called the function Default_Value once for each byte of the
> segment, and the segment was often 100K bytes or more.
Thanks for the pointers. This is just the kind of information we need to
avoid further blunders.
Another one I knew of from before was tick-Image, which triggered
formatted conversion. Text-IO also. I have been forbidding the use of
formatted I/O in realtime from the 1970s, in fortran.
Joe Gwinn
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1997-12-05 0:00 Beware: Rep spec on an enumeration type causes code explosion Joe Gwinn
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-08 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-08 0:00 ` Mats Weber
1997-12-09 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-12-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-12-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-12-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-11 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-12-11 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-16 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-12-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-15 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-12-16 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-16 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-12-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-17 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-12-18 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-11 0:00 ` Rakesh Malhotra
1997-12-11 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Rakesh Malhotra
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-14 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-12-12 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn [this message]
1997-12-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-16 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-09 0:00 ` Geert Bosch
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Kevin D. Heatwole
[not found] ` <dewar.881478386@merv>
1997-12-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-09 0:00 ` Jim Gleason
1997-12-06 0:00 ` David Marshall
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-12-10 0:00 ` GNORT information ( Was Re: Beware: Rep spec on an enumeration type causes code explosion ) Mark Bennison
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Beware: Rep spec on an enumeration type causes code explosion Robert Dewar
1997-12-08 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-08 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-09 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Corey Minyard
1997-12-08 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-07 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
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1997-12-11 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-12-11 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-12-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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