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From: Pete Thompson <blackpete@nowhere.somewhere.anywhere.com>
Subject: Re: Long names are doom ?
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:56:59 -0700
Date: 2001-06-05T12:56:59-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <glcqht423b2ik3sgrnitsoccvpl0rporoq@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: IsNS6.3800$v4.180713@www.newsranger.com

On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:05:12 GMT, Ted Dennison<dennison@telepath.com> wrote:

>In article <aqvfhtk583och27tjjaagpt783kn21c6sp@4ax.com>, Pete Thompson says...
>>
>>...  C/C++ are terse languages.  Being terse allows you to
>>do more in a shorter period of time.  I like using the i++ statement instead of
>
>Yowch. You lost me right there. Typing in the program is nowhere *near* the most
>time-consuming part of developing software. That distinction belongs to the
>"getting it to work" phase, along with maintanence in general. The focus needs
>to be on doing things that will make those phases go quicker.
>
>This statement is a perfect illustration of how the ancient design of C
>encourages developers to worry about optimizing the wrong things. Back in '72
>when C was designed, the size of a source file was a real issue, and programs
>were generally much smaller (and thus simpler to get running). But none of this
>is true today.

No, that is not what I mean.  Yes, it is quite bad to be so terse that the code
becomes obfuscated and unreadable  (side topic:  look up the obfuscated C
contest on goodle for a bit of fun).

I'm talking about terse in the sense that you get a better picture of the
overall picture in a few lines.  I'm talking about being terse for the sake of
readability, *NOT* for the sake of simply being terse.

Consider the following examples:

Terse way:

for (int i = 0; i < n; i++)
{
	cout << "i = " << i << endl;
}

Non-terse way:

for (int iIterationCounter = ITERATIONSTART; iIterationCounter <
iMaximumIteration; iIterationCounter = iIterationCounter + ITERATIONSTEP)
{
	cout << "iIterationCounter = " << endl;
}

You're going to have to look up the #define's to find out what those constants
mean in another file.

By design, this is a good thing, actually.  However, this can also lead to code
that's harder to read once you run into a good chunk of code that spans a
couple of pages that really could have been done in half a page and still be
just as readable (if not more so because it's all right in front of you).  

The first example is terse, but not necessarily cryptic as long as you don't
try to be terse for the sake of being terse.  A bad example of being terse
would be:

if (*i++ < ++j) *k++;

I don't want to be forced to think about operator precedence, ok?  :)

For those of you who are super-picky:  I am *NOT* advocating the use of
single-character variable names.  I (depending on the variable's scope) prefer

char* pClientName;

instead of:

char* p;
or char* pNameOfAClientInDatabase;

Bottom line:  don't be pointlessly terse and don't be pointlessly verbose
either.

I hope I've explained myself a bit better.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-06-05 19:56 UTC|newest]

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2001-05-25  2:02 Long names are doom ? 00001111
2001-05-25  2:25 ` Chris Smith
2001-05-25  3:37   ` Jan Schaumann
2001-05-25  5:18     ` (null)
2001-05-25  6:12       ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-05-25 11:41     ` Charles Demas
2001-05-25  2:55 ` Larry Elmore
2001-05-25  3:21 ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-05-25  3:24   ` Roedy Green
2001-05-25  6:19   ` Jim Monty
2001-05-25  7:32     ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-25 12:23     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-06 10:40     ` John
2001-06-08  3:24       ` Larry Elmore
2001-05-25 15:46   ` Everett M. Greene
2001-05-26 22:25   ` AG
2001-05-27 16:52     ` Shankar Unni
2001-05-27 19:02       ` Gary Scott
2001-05-27 19:36         ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-27 21:36           ` Gary Scott
2001-05-28  3:22         ` Roedy Green
2001-05-29 21:17     ` Wes Groleau
2001-05-30 12:04       ` Chris Smith
2001-06-01 11:39         ` Alvaro Segura
2001-06-01 13:50           ` Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
2001-06-01 14:20             ` Marco Schmidt
2001-06-01 14:22             ` Choosing proper object names (was: Long names are doom ?) Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 16:32               ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-01 15:09             ` Long names are doom ? Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 18:54               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-01 19:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 21:08                   ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-02  5:29                     ` AG
2001-06-05 19:27                       ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 22:22                         ` Chris Uzdavinis
2001-06-06  0:13                           ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-06  9:33                             ` John English
2001-06-08  3:26                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 17:48                                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 22:47                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-09  2:30                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-09  2:08                                   ` Adam Beneschan
2001-06-08 13:20                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 13:38                                 ` John English
2001-06-08 17:07                                   ` Chris Uzdavinis
2001-06-08 13:16                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-02  5:51                     ` Simon Wright
2001-06-04 15:05                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 15:46                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-04 22:26                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 11:42                           ` John English
2001-06-05 13:25                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 20:59                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 21:15                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 13:25                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-06 13:44                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-06 14:12                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 21:01                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 22:16                                   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-07  2:32                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 13:27                                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 14:37                                   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-13 12:31                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-05 19:44                           ` Dirk Bosmans
2001-06-05 21:47                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 13:29                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 12:33                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 20:38                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14  0:00                                     ` Jerry Petrey
2001-06-14 13:03                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 19:23                                       ` Conrad Schneiker
2001-06-05  0:40                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  1:53                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  1:55                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  9:17                             ` Blaikie
2001-06-05 17:24                             ` Gary Scott
2001-06-05  3:27                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  7:13                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  9:20                               ` Blaikie
2001-06-05  9:35                                 ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05  9:40                                   ` Blaikie
2001-06-05  9:57                                     ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 10:29                                       ` Blaikie
2001-06-05 13:46                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 11:44                               ` John English
2001-06-05 14:28                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 15:56                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 15:58                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 17:03                               ` Jon Skeet
     [not found]                             ` <q81pht43ib89sjop0Organization <+FWVg+noA0yk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-05 20:27                               ` Steve Bellenot
2001-06-05 21:55                                 ` Blaikie
2001-06-06  6:37                                   ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-06  8:18                                     ` Blaikie
2001-06-06  8:31                                       ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-06  8:58                                         ` Blaikie
2001-06-06 21:05                                       ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 10:16                                         ` Jonathan Revusky
2001-06-08 14:06                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 14:01                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-05  3:32                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  4:13                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 19:59                         ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 20:47                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 23:08                             ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-06  9:14                               ` John English
2001-06-06 13:30                                 ` Creative? (was: Long names ....) Wes Groleau
2001-06-06 21:08                                 ` Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-06 11:30                               ` David Gillon
2001-06-06 15:26                                 ` Gary Scott
2001-06-06 21:17                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07  8:10                                   ` John English
2001-06-07 21:58                                     ` Commenting code Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:07                                       ` Jane Williams
2001-06-08  3:37                                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 13:27                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:25                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 23:17                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 14:17                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08  1:44                                       ` John English
2001-06-08  2:00                                         ` John English
2001-06-08  3:10                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08  5:56                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 11:50                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-08 13:45                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 14:24                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:57                                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-11 10:38                                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-11 17:41                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 12:44                                                 ` Alvaro Segura
2001-06-13 13:46                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 15:20                                                     ` Bill
2001-06-13 15:35                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:37                                                         ` John English
2001-06-15 19:59                                                           ` Karl Schmidt
2001-06-15  9:06                                                   ` tt
2001-06-08 15:42                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 10:41                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-11 13:18                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-12  8:36                                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:47                                         ` Off-Topic "football" Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 13:42                                       ` Commenting code Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 15:22                                         ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-11 21:30                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-11 21:53                                             ` Commenting code (a plea) Dave Thomas
2001-06-13 12:03                                           ` Commenting code Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 18:13                                             ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-14 12:43                                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 16:22                                                 ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-14 19:20                                                   ` Conrad Schneiker
2001-06-14 21:43                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 22:48                                                       ` Michael Mauch
2001-06-15 16:36                                                       ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-17  2:09                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 16:18                                       ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-08 16:45                                         ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-09  0:37                                           ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-08 23:18                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 21:19                                 ` Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 11:39                                   ` David Gillon
2001-06-07  2:46                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-06 15:25                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 22:53                                 ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 11:36                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 22:01                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:20                                       ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-08 14:20                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 13:58                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-07 16:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 18:14                                     ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 18:59                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-07 20:30                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 19:46                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 20:20                                           ` Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-07 21:52                                             ` Blaikie
2001-06-07 22:35                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:04                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:06                                               ` Eric The Read
2001-06-08 13:43                                                 ` Off Topic: Hot Coffee (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Marin David Condic
2001-06-11 20:51                                                   ` Re(ally): " Paul Graham
2001-06-12 19:43                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:14                                               ` Long names are doom ? Dan Mercer
2001-06-08  0:08                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-09  6:10                                               ` Dale King
2001-06-11 16:28                                                 ` software suits, was " tmoran
2001-06-11 19:13                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-11 18:47                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12  5:31                                                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-12 13:40                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 13:34                                                       ` Dale King
2001-06-12 20:23                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-12 21:28                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  8:18                                                             ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 14:26                                                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 15:14                                                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-13 16:30                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15  5:05                                                             ` Dale King
2001-06-12 21:09                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  1:38                                                         ` software lawsuits Roedy Green
2001-06-13  2:29                                                           ` Otis Bricker
2001-06-12 13:20                                                   ` software suits, was Re: Long names are doom ? Dale King
2001-06-13  8:28                                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-15  5:09                                                       ` Dale King
2001-06-12  8:42                                                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-12 14:12                                                   ` Shrink-wrap licenses (was: Long names are doom ?) Ted Dennison
2001-06-12 15:01                                                   ` Long names are doom ? Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 17:16                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 21:21                                                       ` Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 22:07                                                         ` Off Topic: Legal Issues In Software - was " Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  3:54                                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 11:14                                                           ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-13 11:35                                                           ` Software Licensing (was: Long names are doom) Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-13 13:48                                                           ` Long names are doom ? Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 14:57                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 16:22                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 19:48                                                                 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Roedy Green
2001-06-13 20:42                                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 21:27                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14  5:09                                                                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:15                                                                         ` Ada Developer's Cooperative License (was) " Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 18:51                                                                           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 21:09                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15  3:56                                                                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-15 13:55                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-21  7:11                                                                             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-06-22 15:32                                                                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:19                                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 14:53                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 15:55                                                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:21                                                                           ` Gautier
2001-06-15 15:36                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 16:26                                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 15:30                                                                         ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-14 16:11                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 17:32                                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 17:55                                                                               ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 20:10                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:48                                                                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 20:09                                                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 21:43                                                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-16  2:41                                                                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:08                                                                                     ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-18 14:23                                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15  3:44                                                                                 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-18 16:53                                                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-07  1:08                                                                                 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-08-07  2:38                                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-08-13 14:14                                                                                     ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-06-15  6:59                                                                               ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-15 15:43                                                                               ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-16  2:45                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16  2:45                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 14:25                                                                                   ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 17:48                                                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 19:16                                                                                       ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-18 14:49                                                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 15:46                                                                                     ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 16:16                                                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 17:09                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 18:02                                                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 20:06                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 21:43                                                                                         ` tmoran
2001-06-18 21:29                                                                                       ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-18 22:23                                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-06-20 15:49                                                                                           ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-19 12:18                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-16 22:30                                                                               ` Florian Weimer
2001-06-14 17:56                                                                         ` David Chase
2001-06-16 14:22                                                                         ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 23:23                                                                           ` Al Christians
2001-06-17  1:38                                                                             ` tmoran
2001-06-18 13:59                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 13:49                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-19 12:09                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-19 14:23                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20  4:33                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 15:55                                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-20 16:55                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20 23:55                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 18:38                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
     [not found]                                                                         ` <tM4W6.14397$Dd5.34 <3B28FAD5.5FFB643F@world.std.com>
2001-06-17  2:38                                                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:42                                                                     ` tmoran
2001-06-13 22:44                                                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 16:57                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 13:09                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 14:28                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 20:25                                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-17  2:43                                                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:02                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-14 14:47                                                                 ` Long names are doom ? Wes Groleau
2001-06-21  1:41                                                                 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-21  1:38                                                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                             ` <kbLV6.6795$pb1.259296@www.nOrganization: LJK Software <aPN5ieyHFSfT@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-21 14:20                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-24 22:31                                                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25  0:01                                                                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-25 12:50                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-26 11:52                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-27  9:41                                                                       ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-27 21:09                                                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28  0:31                                                                           ` tmoran
2001-06-28 11:45                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25  8:09                                                                 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-25 14:13                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 15:35                                                                     ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-25 16:50                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 17:08                                                                       ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-25 21:32                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-07-02  4:49                                                                         ` David Thompson
2001-06-26 12:02                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-26 12:48                                                                       ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-26 14:08                                                                       ` Al Christians
2001-06-26 15:00                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 15:41                                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-27  3:33                                                                           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-27 13:31                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 17:39                                                                         ` tmoran
2001-06-26 16:26                                                                       ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 11:50                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-28 21:32                                                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 12:20                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-01  0:50                                                                       ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-02 11:41                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-03  6:43                                                                           ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-04 14:40                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-04 21:00                                                                               ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:12                                                                                 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 17:00                                                                                   ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:10                                                                               ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 13:27                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-06  2:47                                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:24                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-07 17:45                                                                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-08  2:54                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <3B47CB75.234C0543@acm.or g>
2001-07-16  0:56                                                                                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-16 12:03                                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-16 17:37                                                                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-17  0:18                                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-20 15:48                                                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-22 15:37                                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23  2:44                                                                                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-23 10:09                                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23 11:35                                                                                                           ` [OT] " Ken Garlington
2001-07-24  0:56                                                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-24 12:02                                                                                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:15                                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-06 23:11                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 15:22                                                         ` Long names are doom ? Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 12:51                                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 13:49                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-17  2:28                                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13  8:39                                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-13  9:51                                                       ` Blaikie
2001-06-13 15:41                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-13 17:35                                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 20:19                                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 22:04                                                             ` Software Lawsuits (was: LOng names are doom ?) Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-14 13:56                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15 15:50                                                             ` Long names are doom ? John English
2001-06-14 12:53                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08  3:54                                           ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08  4:50                                             ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-12 22:57                                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08  5:59                                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 17:06                                               ` Eric The Read
2001-06-08 23:20                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 22:55                                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 13:52                                             ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Marin David Condic
2001-06-08 14:45                                               ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-08 16:51                                                 ` Earl R Coker
2001-06-09  1:23                                                 ` Blaikie
2001-06-08 16:26                                               ` Chris Smith
2001-06-08 16:41                                                 ` Long Threads are doom? " Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-08 23:57                                                 ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats " Roedy Green
2001-06-08 23:52                                               ` mismatch between actual threat and perceived threat Roedy Green
2001-06-11 13:25                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 17:46                                                   ` Roedy Green
     [not found]                                               ` <vcn2itcjoscsqfppcmrabm2441uuvblfoa@4ax.c <wF3V6.3766$pb1.137507@www.newsranger.com>
2001-06-11 13:46                                                 ` mismatch between actual relevant newsgroups and perceived relevant newsgroups Kenny McCormack
2001-06-17  0:34                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-11 13:54                                               ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-06-07 19:44                                     ` Long names are doom ? tmoran
2001-06-07 17:37                                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 14:31                                   ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:19                                     ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-09  1:15                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-11 10:52                                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 12:37                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-09  3:51                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-11 10:56                                       ` James Kanze
2001-06-09 12:06                                 ` Memory Allocation without pointer arithmetic ? (was: Long names...) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization: LJK Software <9BiaJoj4VeFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-09 12:34                                   ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-10  6:56                                   ` Mark Yudkin
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization <9BiaJoj4VeFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-09 14:58                                   ` Kenny McCormack
2001-06-09 21:46                                     ` Jane Williams
2001-06-10 14:04                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-10 14:15                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization <$l53AZgRoQvs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-10 14:17                                   ` Kenny McCormack
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization: LJK Software <uR1t+dk$wTpD@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-10 18:24                                   ` Chris Smith
2001-06-06 21:10                               ` Long names are doom ? Roedy Green
2001-06-07  2:20                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 18:27                                 ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-08 14:12                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]                         ` <pb2ohtgs64jhssmmohpq5qr7nmcsq6119c@4a <Bh0r7ajFbl7x@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-05 20:35                           ` Simon Wright
2001-06-05 19:56                       ` Pete Thompson [this message]
2001-06-05 20:46                         ` Simon Wright
2001-06-07  2:11                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 15:34                           ` Dale King
2001-06-08  4:38                             ` Donald L. Dobbs
     [not found]                               ` <GELwCw.K0r@approve.se>
2001-06-09  9:23                                 ` AG
     [not found]                                   ` <GEnxK3.3n8@approve.se>
2001-06-09 21:01                                     ` AG
2001-06-13 12:23                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 12:17                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-15 15:53                               ` John English
2001-06-07 18:26                           ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-08 14:09                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-17 12:41                           ` HarryO
2001-06-05 11:24                     ` John English
2001-06-05 13:53                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 14:10                         ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 16:02                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-08 14:47                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 17:43                           ` tmoran
2001-06-10  1:26                             ` AG
2001-06-05 12:53                     ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-05 14:29                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-05 14:52                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 16:05                         ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-05 16:41                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06  4:28                             ` Dale King
2001-06-06  9:07                             ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-06  9:21                             ` John English
2001-06-06 13:46                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-06 15:29                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 11:37                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 19:52                         ` Matthew Woodcraft
2001-06-07 10:26                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-06-07 16:07                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-08  9:45                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-06-08 14:52                             ` James Kanze
     [not found]                           ` <9fo8sb$qrc$1@n <3B20E6C9.562E8BE6@dresdner-bank.com>
2001-06-09  6:00                             ` Simon Wright
2001-06-05 16:04                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 14:26                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-05 14:45                   ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-08 14:55                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-01 20:32               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02  4:27               ` AG
2001-06-01 17:33             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02  6:19               ` Simon Wright
2001-06-04 14:22                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 18:48             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-02 20:28               ` Edward Rosten
2001-06-05 14:23             ` James Kanze
2001-06-01 14:18           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-01 15:35           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-01 15:41             ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-01 20:44               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02 17:31                 ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 11:52                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-06-05 12:13                     ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 11:52         ` John English
2001-05-30 14:14       ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-30 20:50         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-04  0:37         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-04 14:41           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-04 22:33             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 14:40               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 14:49             ` James Kanze
2001-05-25  5:42 ` Steve Bellenot
2001-05-25 11:39   ` Peter Fitzgibbons
2001-05-25 13:34   ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 19:31     ` Roedy Green
2001-05-25 20:23       ` Larry Hazel
2001-05-26  0:39       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-05-29  9:41       ` John English
2001-05-29 19:32         ` Roedy Green
2001-05-29 20:35           ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-29 14:55       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-09  9:15         ` Kent Dahl
2001-05-29 21:25       ` Wes Groleau
2001-05-25  5:46 ` tmoran
2001-05-25  6:12 ` Patrick Logan
2001-05-25 11:25 ` Florian Weimer
2001-05-25 12:11 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-05-25 13:17 ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 17:35 ` tmoran
2001-05-25 19:17   ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 21:23   ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-26 21:28 ` Tom Spilman
2001-05-27 13:53   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-01 23:11 ` 00001111
2001-06-07 11:33 ` Phil K
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-26  1:27 robin
2001-05-26  1:29 robin
2001-05-26  1:56 ` Jonas Lindstr�m
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