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From: Nick Roberts <nick.roberts@acm.org>
Subject: Re: For the AdaOS folks
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:57:39 +0000
Date: 2005-01-06T00:57:39+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gemini.i9veo20018zi3034w.nick.roberts@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: HCXCd.40558$P%3.1560924@news20.bellglobal.com

"Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@NoSPAM.cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Mach's roots go back to 1975, which is quite some time ago ;-)

Blimey, I didn't know that. I started designing the microkernel that has
become Bachar in the mid 1980s. Certainly I had never heard of Mach at that
time.

> However, the "name service" for example, will often have many clients
> (only one receive port for the name service, but at least one send-right
> for every client "task" on the system). This is one example where the
> numbers of send-rights can be large.

My current plan is that every process (except one, the Top Process) will
have recourse to a 'parent' (actually an 'inner parent') process, from
which, among other things, it can request a resolution of a named
environment variable. Normally, name servers would be obtained, queried, and
then discarded, to resolve each step of a path (starting at an environment
variable).

However, this means that every process will have to be issued with at least
one service key -- the one to call its parent -- for the lifetime of the
process. Avarus is the process that will have the most direct (inner) child
processes, typically in the ball park of 50 to 100 per workstation, so
that's 100 service keys for a start.

All of those service keys /could/ be serviced by just one thread (and one
IPC service). However, it might be better to have each serviced by its own
separate thread (operating at an appropriate priority). So, that might
require 100 threads within Avarus just for that purpose alone; there would
surely be many more threads for other purposes.

Looking at my Windows XP Task Manager just now, I see 47 processes and 446
threads. Interesting. I'm not sure if it's a problem. Currently, I
anticipate capacity for 500 processes and 1500 threads (per workstation),
and for 1000 IPC services and 3000 service keys. Each (normal) thread will
eat up about 300 bytes of RAM (for the TSS and ring 0, 1, and 2 stacks). The
RAM used up for an IPC service or service key is negligible.

How would Mach do it better?

-- 
Nick Roberts



  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-06  0:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-27  5:09 For the AdaOS folks Wes Groleau
2004-12-27 10:56 ` Florian Weimer
2004-12-27 12:50   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-27 13:12     ` Florian Weimer
2004-12-28  1:18   ` Wes Groleau
2004-12-27 13:46 ` Adrien Plisson
2004-12-27 16:28   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-28  6:19   ` Microkernels & Ada (Was for the AdaOS folks) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-28 12:02     ` Adrien Plisson
2004-12-28 15:28       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-30  1:19 ` For the AdaOS folks Nick Roberts
2004-12-30 13:58   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-30 15:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-30 16:30       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
     [not found]         ` <otb8t09dkjh54e1k5s5ccn23ggkqk6ndui@4ax.com>
2004-12-30 19:06           ` OT: Mach Ports (For the AdaOS folks) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-31 10:03         ` For the AdaOS folks Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-31 11:30           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-31 12:31             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-31 16:24               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-31 17:57                 ` Marven Lee
2004-12-31 18:40                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-31 19:22                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-02 15:09                     ` Marven Lee
2005-01-02 20:06                       ` Luke A. Guest
2005-01-03  3:13                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03  6:40                           ` Luke A. Guest
2005-01-03 10:30                             ` Marven Lee
2005-01-03 15:52                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 16:48                           ` Ad Buijsen
2005-01-03 18:49                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 13:43                         ` Marven Lee
2005-01-04 23:36                         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-03 16:22                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04 23:16                       ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05  3:48                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 13:14                           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-01 12:53                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-02  0:31                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-02 11:50                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-02 22:04                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 10:30                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-03 16:36                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 17:05                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-03 19:01                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 19:55                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-03 20:44                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04  0:02                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-04 17:44                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04 20:14                                         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-04  9:59                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-04 18:00                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04 19:07                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-04 19:57                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05  0:02                                             ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05  4:37                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 18:54                                                 ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05 20:04                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-06  0:32                                                     ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-06  1:29                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2005-01-06 11:03                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-05  9:39                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-05 11:20                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 12:18                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-05 14:39                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 17:16                                                     ` zest_fien
2005-01-05 19:44                                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-04 20:09           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05 10:19             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-05 18:33               ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05 20:15                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-31 18:47     ` Nick Roberts
2004-12-31 20:36       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04 18:22         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05  5:12           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 18:02             ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05 19:55               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-06  0:57                 ` Nick Roberts [this message]
2005-01-06  2:34                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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2005-01-05 12:14 Mike Brenner
2005-01-05 18:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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