* AdaOS @ 2001-10-25 9:10 Franz Huber 2001-10-25 11:35 ` AdaOS Alfred Hilscher ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Franz Huber @ 2001-10-25 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw) hi group, is there anybody from the AdaOS project? if not, where are they? ciao franz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-10-25 9:10 AdaOS Franz Huber @ 2001-10-25 11:35 ` Alfred Hilscher 2001-10-28 1:44 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-10-29 16:40 ` AdaOS Tony Gair 2 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Alfred Hilscher @ 2001-10-25 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw) Franz Huber wrote: > > hi group, > > is there anybody from the AdaOS project? > if not, where are they? Maybe at http://www.AdaOS.org/home/ in the AdaOS mailing list. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-10-25 9:10 AdaOS Franz Huber 2001-10-25 11:35 ` AdaOS Alfred Hilscher @ 2001-10-28 1:44 ` Nick Roberts 2001-10-29 16:40 ` AdaOS Tony Gair 2 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-10-28 1:44 UTC (permalink / raw) I am still 'around', but I have been 'keeping my head down'. -- Nick Roberts "Franz Huber" <franz.huber@r.heitec.de> wrote in message news:9r8pvf$vms$1@papyrus.erlm.siemens.de... > hi group, > > is there anybody from the AdaOS project? > if not, where are they? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-10-25 9:10 AdaOS Franz Huber 2001-10-25 11:35 ` AdaOS Alfred Hilscher 2001-10-28 1:44 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-10-29 16:40 ` Tony Gair 2001-10-29 16:50 ` AdaOS Preben Randhol 2 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Tony Gair @ 2001-10-29 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw) hello...... But I just seem to be there for the ride at the minute, I hope to be able to make an announcement which should improve the way things can be developed for the ADA os p.s. I have hijacked the newsgroup fj.comp.lang.ada for the use of ada opensource discussions since it did not seem to be used for anything. Regards Tony "Franz Huber" <franz.huber@r.heitec.de> wrote in message news:9r8pvf$vms$1@papyrus.erlm.siemens.de... > hi group, > > is there anybody from the AdaOS project? > if not, where are they? > > ciao franz > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-10-29 16:40 ` AdaOS Tony Gair @ 2001-10-29 16:50 ` Preben Randhol 2001-10-29 17:02 ` AdaOS Franz Huber 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2001-10-29 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:40:12 -0000, Tony Gair wrote: > hello...... > But I just seem to be there for the ride at the minute, > I hope to be able to make an announcement which should improve the way > things can be developed for the ADA os > > p.s. I have hijacked the newsgroup fj.comp.lang.ada for the use of ada > opensource discussions since it did not seem to be used for anything. I would expect that fj. means it is a local newsgroup for Fiji But again it is not ADA nor ada, but Ada. Preben Randhol -- Please, stop bombing civilians in Afghanistan. One cannot write off killing innocent children and other civilians as "collateral damage". A civilian is a civilian whether he or she is American or from another country in the world. http://web.amnesty.org/11september.htm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-10-29 16:50 ` AdaOS Preben Randhol @ 2001-10-29 17:02 ` Franz Huber 2001-10-31 8:54 ` AdaOS Tony Gair 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Franz Huber @ 2001-10-29 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) hi there, i've asked this because a time ago there were discussions concerning AdaOS here. for some reason i didn't get any mails from the adaos mailing-list, so i was in doubt what has happend to this. are there any discussions on the adaos list? i've checked by forwarder several times but haven't found any mistakes. caio franz "Preben Randhol" <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote in message news:slrn9tr62t.hf.randhol+abuse@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no... > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:40:12 -0000, Tony Gair wrote: > > hello...... > > But I just seem to be there for the ride at the minute, > > I hope to be able to make an announcement which should improve the way > > things can be developed for the ADA os > > > > p.s. I have hijacked the newsgroup fj.comp.lang.ada for the use of ada > > opensource discussions since it did not seem to be used for anything. > > I would expect that fj. means it is a local newsgroup for Fiji > > But again it is not ADA nor ada, but Ada. > > Preben Randhol > -- > Please, stop bombing civilians in Afghanistan. One cannot write off > killing innocent children and other civilians as "collateral damage". > A civilian is a civilian whether he or she is American or from another > country in the world. http://web.amnesty.org/11september.htm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-10-29 17:02 ` AdaOS Franz Huber @ 2001-10-31 8:54 ` Tony Gair 2001-11-04 17:32 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Tony Gair @ 2001-10-31 8:54 UTC (permalink / raw) I don't think its being maintained properly Franz I think the bolt was shot a little bit early to get the ball rolling "Franz Huber" <franz.huber@r.heitec.de> wrote in message news:9rk749$ndt$1@papyrus.erlm.siemens.de... > hi there, > > i've asked this because a time ago there were discussions concerning AdaOS > here. for some reason i didn't > get any mails from the adaos mailing-list, so i was in doubt what has > happend to this. are there any discussions > on the adaos list? i've checked by forwarder several times but haven't found > any mistakes. > > caio franz > > "Preben Randhol" <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote in message > news:slrn9tr62t.hf.randhol+abuse@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no... > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:40:12 -0000, Tony Gair wrote: > > > hello...... > > > But I just seem to be there for the ride at the minute, > > > I hope to be able to make an announcement which should improve the way > > > things can be developed for the ADA os > > > > > > p.s. I have hijacked the newsgroup fj.comp.lang.ada for the use of ada > > > opensource discussions since it did not seem to be used for anything. > > > > I would expect that fj. means it is a local newsgroup for Fiji > > > > But again it is not ADA nor ada, but Ada. > > > > Preben Randhol > > -- > > Please, stop bombing civilians in Afghanistan. One cannot write off > > killing innocent children and other civilians as "collateral damage". > > A civilian is a civilian whether he or she is American or from another > > country in the world. http://web.amnesty.org/11september.htm > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-10-31 8:54 ` AdaOS Tony Gair @ 2001-11-04 17:32 ` Nick Roberts 2001-11-05 0:59 ` AdaOS David Starner 2001-11-05 12:50 ` AdaOS Franz Huber 0 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-04 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw) "Tony Gair" <tonygair@donot.spam.btinternet.com> wrote in message news:9rnid9$541$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > > I don't think its being maintained properly Franz David Botton is the man to contact regarding the AdaOS mailing list (see the AdaPower web site). It is still going, but there are some long periods of inactivity at the moment. > I think the bolt was shot a little bit early to get the ball rolling Or to use another analogy, I announced the beginning of a project to build a nwe aeroplane, and people seemed to think I was announcing an imminent test flight. They seem to have been a little disappointed to learn that there is likely to be a few years of R&D inbetween! -- Nick Roberts ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-04 17:32 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-05 0:59 ` David Starner 2001-11-05 18:15 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-05 12:50 ` AdaOS Franz Huber 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: David Starner @ 2001-11-05 0:59 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:32:43 -0000, Nick Roberts <nickroberts@adaos.worldonline.co.uk> wrote: > Or to use another analogy, I announced the beginning of a project to build a > nwe aeroplane, and people seemed to think I was announcing an imminent test > flight. They seem to have been a little disappointed to learn that there is > likely to be a few years of R&D inbetween! Announcements are usually about things that exist. Frankly, most openly developed projects start with a working core; then people come in and add and fix. Open development doesn't usually work well. -- David Starner - dstarner98@aasaa.ofe.org Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org "I saw a daemon stare into my face, and an angel touch my breast; each one softly calls my name . . . the daemon scares me less." - "Disciple", Stuart Davis ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-05 0:59 ` AdaOS David Starner @ 2001-11-05 18:15 ` Nick Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-05 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw) "David Starner" <dvdeug@x8b4e53cd.dhcp.okstate.edu> wrote in message news:9s4oae$8a21@news.cis.okstate.edu... > ... > Announcements are usually about things that exist. Frankly, most openly > developed projects start with a working core; then people come in and > add and fix. Open development doesn't usually work well. Well, the AdaOS project started unusually, and it seems pretty likely it will go on being unusual! Perhaps it can also be unusual in being successful (eventually). -- Nick Roberts ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-04 17:32 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-05 0:59 ` AdaOS David Starner @ 2001-11-05 12:50 ` Franz Huber 2001-11-05 18:11 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Franz Huber @ 2001-11-05 12:50 UTC (permalink / raw) hi there, you see, i'm a member and i've talked to another member about the structure of a HAL. we agreed best would be to implement such kind off stuff to get rid of hw-dependencies. so i wrote to the forum, but no response ever arrived. i've never received a message from the mailling-list, too. ciao franz "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@adaos.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message news:9s3u20$10s0sv$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de... > "Tony Gair" <tonygair@donot.spam.btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:9rnid9$541$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > > > > I don't think its being maintained properly Franz > > David Botton is the man to contact regarding the AdaOS mailing list (see the > AdaPower web site). It is still going, but there are some long periods of > inactivity at the moment. > > > I think the bolt was shot a little bit early to get the ball rolling > > Or to use another analogy, I announced the beginning of a project to build a > nwe aeroplane, and people seemed to think I was announcing an imminent test > flight. They seem to have been a little disappointed to learn that there is > likely to be a few years of R&D inbetween! > > -- > Nick Roberts > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-05 12:50 ` AdaOS Franz Huber @ 2001-11-05 18:11 ` Nick Roberts 2001-11-05 23:12 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-05 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw) "Franz Huber" <franz.huber@r.heitec.de> wrote in message news:9s670f$u2e$1@papyrus.erlm.siemens.de... > hi there, > > you see, i'm a member and i've talked to another member about the structure > of a HAL. What is a HAL? Do you really mean an artifically intelligent OS? That's a bit beyond our current objectives! Of course, I know there are several AIOS projects at the moment; I've no idea how realistic or progressed any of them are. > we agreed best would > be to implement such kind off stuff to get rid of hw-dependencies. so i > wrote to the forum, but no response ever > arrived. Possibly we never got it ... > i've never received a message from the mailling-list, too. ... I believe there were some problems recently with AdaPower mailing lists (generally solved by the able David Botton). Please try subscribing again. > ciao franz -- Best of luck, Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-05 18:11 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-05 23:12 ` Marin David Condic 2001-11-06 15:38 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-05 23:12 UTC (permalink / raw) HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer - in all probability. Some version of how you do device drivers, etc. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@adaos.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message news:9s74eb$12b2bq$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de... > > What is a HAL? Do you really mean an artifically intelligent OS? That's a > bit beyond our current objectives! Of course, I know there are several AIOS > projects at the moment; I've no idea how realistic or progressed any of them > are. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-05 23:12 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-06 15:38 ` Nick Roberts 2001-11-06 17:17 ` AdaOS Darren New ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-06 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Ah, yes, of course! We don't have device drivers any more, we have "Hardware Abstraction Layers". ;-) -- Nick Roberts ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-06 15:38 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-06 17:17 ` Darren New 2001-11-06 17:26 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-07 2:28 ` AdaOS Philip Cummins 2001-11-09 15:58 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 2 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Darren New @ 2001-11-06 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Nick Roberts wrote: > Ah, yes, of course! We don't have device drivers any more, we have "Hardware > Abstraction Layers". I think the HAL is how the device drivers get to the hardware. It abstracts (for example) the stuff you need to abstract before you're done booting, it abstracts the mechanism for figuring out how to do task switching, it abstracts the stuff for dealing with the motherboard so you can tell what device drivers you need to load, and so on. It's a layer below the device drivers. -- Darren New San Diego, CA, USA (PST). Cryptokeys on demand. Sore feet from standing in line at airport security checkpoints: Jet Leg. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-06 17:17 ` AdaOS Darren New @ 2001-11-06 17:26 ` Nick Roberts 2001-11-06 20:37 ` AdaOS Larry Kilgallen 2001-11-06 22:47 ` HAL (was AdaOS) Hans-Olof Danielsson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-06 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Your enlightenment is appreciated, but I'm sorry, I'm afraid it sounds a bit like someone trying to sell me a pair of boots that will do all the walking for me. I suspect HALs are an RAI (Redundant Academic Invention). :-) -- Nick Roberts "Darren New" <dnew@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:3BE81B26.285928FC@san.rr.com... > Nick Roberts wrote: > > Ah, yes, of course! We don't have device drivers any more, we have "Hardware > > Abstraction Layers". > > I think the HAL is how the device drivers get to the hardware. It > abstracts (for example) the stuff you need to abstract before you're > done booting, it abstracts the mechanism for figuring out how to do task > switching, it abstracts the stuff for dealing with the motherboard so > you can tell what device drivers you need to load, and so on. It's a > layer below the device drivers. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-06 17:26 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-06 20:37 ` Larry Kilgallen 2001-11-06 22:28 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-06 22:47 ` HAL (was AdaOS) Hans-Olof Danielsson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 2001-11-06 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <9s994b$11sv9j$2@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@adaos.worldonline.co.uk> writes: > Your enlightenment is appreciated, but I'm sorry, I'm afraid it sounds a bit > like someone trying to sell me a pair of boots that will do all the walking > for me. I suspect HALs are an RAI (Redundant Academic Invention). Even worse than that. It's a Microsoft Thing :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: HAL (was AdaOS) 2001-11-06 17:26 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-06 20:37 ` AdaOS Larry Kilgallen @ 2001-11-06 22:47 ` Hans-Olof Danielsson 2001-11-07 7:22 ` tmoran 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Hans-Olof Danielsson @ 2001-11-06 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@adaos.worldonline.co.uk> skriver: > Your enlightenment is appreciated, but I'm sorry, I'm afraid it sounds a bit > like someone trying to sell me a pair of boots that will do all the walking > for me. ........ In her book "Inside Windows NT" Helen Custer describes *NT's pair of boots* %>) like this: "Hadware abstraction layer (HAL). Places a layer of code between the NT executive and the hardware platform on which Windows NT is running. It hides hardware-dependent details such as I/O interfaces, interrupt controllers and communication mechanisms. Rather than access hardware directly, NT executive components maintain maximum portability by calling the HAL routines when they need plattform-dependent information. ..... Platform-dependent code - that is, code that relies on a particular manufacture's implementation of a MIPS R4000 computer, for example - is located in the HAL and is proveded by individual computer manufaturers. Device drivers contain device-specific code, of course, but they aviod processor-dependent and platform-dependent code by calling NT kernel routines and HAL routines." One thing one can wonder over is how heavy NT's pair of boots are. Hans-Olof Danielsson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: HAL (was AdaOS) 2001-11-06 22:47 ` HAL (was AdaOS) Hans-Olof Danielsson @ 2001-11-07 7:22 ` tmoran 2001-11-07 22:11 ` Matthew Woodcraft 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: tmoran @ 2001-11-07 7:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Refresh my memory: what did CPM call the hardware abstraction layer? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: HAL (was AdaOS) 2001-11-07 7:22 ` tmoran @ 2001-11-07 22:11 ` Matthew Woodcraft 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Matthew Woodcraft @ 2001-11-07 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw) tmoran@acm.org writes: > Refresh my memory: what did CPM call the hardware abstraction layer? Basic Input / Output System I bet we're all glad that's dead and buried long ago. -M- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-06 15:38 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-06 17:17 ` AdaOS Darren New @ 2001-11-07 2:28 ` Philip Cummins 2001-11-07 22:30 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-08 12:34 ` AdaOS Georg Bauhaus 2001-11-09 15:58 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 2 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Philip Cummins @ 2001-11-07 2:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nick Roberts [[ This message was both posted and mailed: see the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] Hello, > Ah, yes, of course! We don't have device drivers any more, we have "Hardware > Abstraction Layers". You'd find it beneficial to have Hardware Abstraction Layers followed by dynamically loadable device drivers. It is not a redundant academic invention that is there to make life hard, but rather easier. A simple search via Google will provide the sufficient documentation to back this up. For instance of a HAL operating is : USB Hardware <-> USB HAL <-> USB Device Driver (ie, mouse, keyboard) Essentially the USB HAL abstracts out a common front end API for the USB device drivers to talk to the USB hardware which frequently changes depending on which motherboard and chipset you're using. This removes the need for each individual device driver to know what hardware it is running off and hence redundant code. PC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-07 2:28 ` AdaOS Philip Cummins @ 2001-11-07 22:30 ` Nick Roberts 2001-11-08 18:49 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic 2001-11-09 16:06 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 2001-11-08 12:34 ` AdaOS Georg Bauhaus 1 sibling, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-07 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Yes, but Phil, it's not the actual bits of software that are redundant -- I've no doubt they indeed do useful things -- it's the term 'HAL' that's redundant. The hardware abstraction layer IS the device drivers, and always has been. Someone's just invented a fancy name, that's all! I'm not actually against the invention of nomenclature. I do it myself all the time. It's calling a spade a Cultivational Utility Device that I have a problem with. -- Nick Roberts "Philip Cummins" <philip@no-spam.cs.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message news:071120011028298704%philip@no-spam.cs.uwa.edu.au... > ... > You'd find it beneficial to have Hardware Abstraction Layers followed > by dynamically loadable device drivers. It is not a redundant academic > invention that is there to make life hard, but rather easier. A simple > search via Google will provide the sufficient documentation to back > this up. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-07 22:30 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-08 18:49 ` Marin David Condic 2001-11-08 22:02 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-09 16:06 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-08 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Please get the terminology correct: Its called an "Individual Combat Personnel Entrenchment Evacuator." There's a Mil-Spec on it and everything. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@adaos.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message news:9scke6$12jb14$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de... > the time. It's calling a spade a Cultivational Utility Device that I have a ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-08 18:49 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-08 22:02 ` Nick Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-08 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw) :-) -- NJR > Please get the terminology correct: Its called an "Individual Combat > Personnel Entrenchment Evacuator." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-07 22:30 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-08 18:49 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-09 16:06 ` Ted Dennison 2001-11-09 23:30 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-12 18:50 ` AdaOS Mats Karlssohn 1 sibling, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-09 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <9scke6$12jb14$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, Nick Roberts says... > >Yes, but Phil, it's not the actual bits of software that are redundant -- >I've no doubt they indeed do useful things -- it's the term 'HAL' that's >redundant. The hardware abstraction layer IS the device drivers, and always >has been. Someone's just invented a fancy name, that's all! I think there's a bit more to it than that. I believe its purpose initially was to shelter the kernel from processor implemenation details, so that only the HAL would have to be rewritten to support a new processor. In that respect, you can kind of think of it as a microkernel. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-09 16:06 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-09 23:30 ` Nick Roberts 2001-11-12 18:50 ` AdaOS Mats Karlssohn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-09 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw) I suppose from Microsoft's point of view its a useful marketroidal term: either they or third parties supply the device drivers, but the PC/motherboard manufacturer supplies the HAL. Ever since the invention of the IBM PC there has been the curious and unique (in its extent) phenomenon of hardware being arduously designed to fit pre-existing software. From my point of view, there's no technical difference between different levels of DD. In AdaOS, there will be some DDs three or four levels above the hardware. E.g. the Virtual Graphics Console DD will communicate with a mouse DD, but that might communicate with the actual mouse through the serial port DD and serial port. To say any one of these levels is a 'hardware abstraction layer' would, of course be completely arbitrary, so I hope it's not a term taught to students. -- Best wishes, Nick Roberts "Ted Dennison" <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message news:eaTG7.18956$xS6.30442@www.newsranger.com... > ... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-09 16:06 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 2001-11-09 23:30 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-12 18:50 ` Mats Karlssohn 2001-11-12 20:03 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 2001-11-17 18:40 ` AdaOS Brian Catlin 1 sibling, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Mats Karlssohn @ 2001-11-12 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Ted Dennison wrote: > > In article <9scke6$12jb14$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, Nick Roberts says... > > > >Yes, but Phil, it's not the actual bits of software that are redundant -- > >I've no doubt they indeed do useful things -- it's the term 'HAL' that's > >redundant. The hardware abstraction layer IS the device drivers, and always > >has been. Someone's just invented a fancy name, that's all! > > I think there's a bit more to it than that. I believe its purpose initially was > to shelter the kernel from processor implemenation details, so that only the HAL > would have to be rewritten to support a new processor. In that respect, you can > kind of think of it as a microkernel. As usual you are quite right Ted. Please correct me if I'm workn, but I've been led to belive that in NT the main purpose of the HAL is to isolate the device drivers from the architectural differenses of of different processors and machines. Like the difference between the separate I/O addresspace of the x86 vs. {alpha,mips} memory mapped I/O, the idea is that the same device driver can be used for a card, it doesn't matter weather the card is in a AlphaStation or an Intel box. There is more to it though (as usual). -- Mats Karlssohn, developer mailto:mats@mida.se Mida Systemutveckling AB http://www.mida.se Box 64, S-732 22 ARBOGA, SWEDEN Phone: +46-(0)589-89808 Fax: +46-(0)589-89809 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-12 18:50 ` AdaOS Mats Karlssohn @ 2001-11-12 20:03 ` Ted Dennison 2001-11-12 20:29 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic 2001-11-17 18:40 ` AdaOS Brian Catlin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-12 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3BF019F4.C9C460E5@mida.se>, Mats Karlssohn says... > >been led to belive that in NT the main purpose of the HAL is to isolate the >device drivers from the architectural differenses of of different processors >and machines. Like the difference between the separate I/O addresspace of >the x86 vs. {alpha,mips} memory mapped I/O, the idea is that the same device >driver can be used for a card, it doesn't matter weather the card is in >a AlphaStation or an Intel box. There is more to it though (as usual). The device drivers and the NT kernel both. I think they went with that design because they were initially planning on porting NT to a great number of platforms, and they didn't want to have to make changes all over the OS every time that was done. However, they only ever had ports for 3 platforms, and they soon dropped one of those. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-12 20:03 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-12 20:29 ` Marin David Condic 2001-11-12 22:25 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-12 20:29 UTC (permalink / raw) I wonder why that was? It seems to me that a portable operating system that ran on a variety of hardware would be a *good* thing for business. (Some businesses.) What got in the way of - say - making it work on a Sun? A portable operating system with a portable language ought to be good for someone who is marketing software, don't you think? Write-once, Compile-many? But then, if that were true, Ada with an Ada OS ought to be a marketable concept - yet it doesn't seem to gain much traction? What is the downside? Possibly that other players would then be able to easily develop to the same platforms and a Really Big Software Business might want to make it hard for other players to do ports to all kinds of hardware? (They, having more resources, might have an advantage trying to port to a dozen platforms while a small company might not.) Still doesn't seem to add up, given that I don't know that Microsoft is seriously playing in the Sun/Sparc arena, for example, so why try to keep small competitors out? And making your OS work on Sun hardware seems to just make an inroad into new business. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Ted Dennison" <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message news:mWVH7.22092$xS6.34190@www.newsranger.com... > > The device drivers and the NT kernel both. I think they went with that design > because they were initially planning on porting NT to a great number of > platforms, and they didn't want to have to make changes all over the OS every > time that was done. However, they only ever had ports for 3 platforms, and they > soon dropped one of those. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-12 20:29 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-12 22:25 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-12 22:25 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <9spbf4$i7l$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, Marin David Condic says... > >I wonder why that was? It seems to me that a portable operating system that >ran on a variety of hardware would be a *good* thing for business. (Some >businesses.) What got in the way of - say - making it work on a Sun? Think about this for a minute. Up until a year or so ago, Sun was Microsoft enemy #1. Sun pretty much makes their money off of hardware sales. Now think hard... :-) >A portable operating system with a portable language ought to be good for >someone who is marketing software, don't you think? Write-once, >Compile-many? But then, if that were true, Ada with an Ada OS ought to be a >marketable concept - yet it doesn't seem to gain much traction? What is the >downside? For an OS vendor, it may be true that more platforms=more sales. For a software monopolist that uses OS and business applications dominance as its leverage (as found by the Federal courts), a completely different set of economics applies. I suspect that if the verdict to split the company had stood, there may have been some renewed interest from the MS-OS company for NT ports. But I guess we'll never know now. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-12 18:50 ` AdaOS Mats Karlssohn 2001-11-12 20:03 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-17 18:40 ` Brian Catlin 2001-11-17 22:49 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Brian Catlin @ 2001-11-17 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw) The HAL is essentially the driver for the motherboard, and controls the interrupt controller, DMA controller, timer, etc. The HAL used to contain the bus drivers through NT4, but starting with Windows 2000, the bus drivers were migrated out of the HAL and into standalone drivers, reducing the need for OEMs to create their own HALs (most were created to deal with PCI controllers and non-Intel core logic). The kernel is processor architecture specific (there is a different kernel for each supported architecture, x86, Alpha, PPC, MIPS, Itanium), while the executive is the same across all platforms. -Brian -- Brian Catlin, Sannas Consulting 310-798-8930 Windows NT/2000 Internals, WDM Device Driver Training & Consulting See WWW.AZIUS.COM for courses and scheduling "Mats Karlssohn" <mats@mida.se> wrote in message news:3BF019F4.C9C460E5@mida.se... > Ted Dennison wrote: > > > > In article <9scke6$12jb14$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, Nick Roberts says... > > > > > >Yes, but Phil, it's not the actual bits of software that are redundant -- > > >I've no doubt they indeed do useful things -- it's the term 'HAL' that's > > >redundant. The hardware abstraction layer IS the device drivers, and always > > >has been. Someone's just invented a fancy name, that's all! > > > > I think there's a bit more to it than that. I believe its purpose initially was > > to shelter the kernel from processor implemenation details, so that only the HAL > > would have to be rewritten to support a new processor. In that respect, you can > > kind of think of it as a microkernel. > > As usual you are quite right Ted. Please correct me if I'm workn, but I've > been led to belive that in NT the main purpose of the HAL is to isolate the > device drivers from the architectural differenses of of different processors > and machines. Like the difference between the separate I/O addresspace of > the x86 vs. {alpha,mips} memory mapped I/O, the idea is that the same device > driver can be used for a card, it doesn't matter weather the card is in > a AlphaStation or an Intel box. There is more to it though (as usual). > > > > -- > Mats Karlssohn, developer mailto:mats@mida.se > Mida Systemutveckling AB http://www.mida.se > Box 64, S-732 22 ARBOGA, SWEDEN > Phone: +46-(0)589-89808 Fax: +46-(0)589-89809 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-17 18:40 ` AdaOS Brian Catlin @ 2001-11-17 22:49 ` Nick Roberts 2001-11-19 16:53 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic 2001-11-19 17:17 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-17 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw) This thread has thrown up some interesting tidbits of information about Windows! I feel that "device driver for the motherboard" (DD/MB?) would have been a more accurate (and less confusing) way of putting it than "hardware abstraction layer". Does anyone else -- outside the context of Windows -- make earnest use of the term HAL? -- Best wishes, Nick Roberts "Brian Catlin" <brianc@sannas.org> wrote in message news:9t6av9$601$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > The HAL is essentially the driver for the motherboard, and controls the > interrupt controller, DMA controller, timer, etc. The HAL used to contain the > bus drivers through NT4, but starting with Windows 2000, the bus drivers were > migrated out of the HAL and into standalone drivers, reducing the need for OEMs > to create their own HALs (most were created to deal with PCI controllers and > non-Intel core logic). The kernel is processor architecture specific (there is > a different kernel for each supported architecture, x86, Alpha, PPC, MIPS, > Itanium), while the executive is the same across all platforms. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-17 22:49 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-19 16:53 ` Marin David Condic 2001-11-19 17:17 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-19 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw) My thinking on it goes like this: Use any term you like so long as you a) define what you mean by it and b) use it consistently. HAL is fine with me - if it means you're going to code a bunch of small routines that isolate how things work on a specific processor to make it easier to port, that's a legitimate goal. Sounds like it differs to some extent from a device driver - although the goals of portability are similar. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@adaos.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message news:9t6srn$nbro$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de... > > Does anyone else -- outside the context of Windows -- make earnest use of > the term HAL? > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-17 22:49 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-19 16:53 ` AdaOS Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-19 17:17 ` Ted Dennison 2001-11-19 19:51 ` AdaOS Peter Hend�n 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-19 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <9t6srn$nbro$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, Nick Roberts says... > >Does anyone else -- outside the context of Windows -- make earnest use of >the term HAL? Not that I've ever heard. I think most reasonable CS types would prefer to avoid any assoication with their work and the beserk computer from 2001. :-) --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-19 17:17 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-19 19:51 ` Peter Hend�n 2001-11-19 22:41 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter Hend�n @ 2001-11-19 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw) "Ted Dennison" <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message news:A8bK7.30408$xS6.49183@www.newsranger.com... > In article <9t6srn$nbro$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, Nick Roberts says... > > > >Does anyone else -- outside the context of Windows -- make earnest use of > >the term HAL? > > Not that I've ever heard. I think most reasonable CS types would prefer to avoid > any assoication with their work and the beserk computer from 2001. :-) http://sources.redhat.com/ecos/docs-1.2.1/ref/ecos-ref/the-ecos-hardware-abs traction-layer-hal.html http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=3576 http://www.aero.polimi.it/projects/rtai/ Personally I heard it some 20 years ago in a definitely non-Microsofty CS environment. The term HAL may have originated at Digital, but thats just a guess based on the fact that most computers in that environment were DEC PDP-11s, 10s and 20s. /Peter H. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-19 19:51 ` AdaOS Peter Hend�n @ 2001-11-19 22:41 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-19 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 601 bytes --] In article <9tbnrp$mok$1@green.tninet.se>, Peter Hend�n says... > >Personally I heard it some 20 years ago in a definitely non-Microsofty CS >environment. The term HAL may have originated at Digital, but thats just >a guess based on the fact that most computers in that environment were >DEC PDP-11s, 10s and 20s. That would explain its reappearance in NT (some of the NT designers were ex DEC folk). --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-07 2:28 ` AdaOS Philip Cummins 2001-11-07 22:30 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts @ 2001-11-08 12:34 ` Georg Bauhaus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2001-11-08 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Philip Cummins <philip@no-spam.cs.uwa.edu.au> wrote: : Essentially the USB HAL abstracts out a common front end API for the : USB device drivers to talk to the USB hardware which frequently changes : depending on which motherboard and chipset you're using. This removes : the need for each individual device driver to know what hardware it is : running off and hence redundant code. Nick, have you really read these sentences? It says, or I interpret it to mean, that in "old" nomenclature, the "device driver" is not one big glob of software, but something layered, following some engineering practice. With obvious "software organization" advantages, even at run time. It makes a difference if you have replaceable parts with separate access control properties or just one big driver which does at best have structure at the source level. Georg (Another very successful HAL is the JVM :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-06 15:38 ` AdaOS Nick Roberts 2001-11-06 17:17 ` AdaOS Darren New 2001-11-07 2:28 ` AdaOS Philip Cummins @ 2001-11-09 15:58 ` Ted Dennison 2001-11-09 18:56 ` AdaOS Peter Hend�n 2001-11-10 2:44 ` AdaOS Eric Merritt 2 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-09 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <9s9413$11mrei$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, Nick Roberts says... > >Ah, yes, of course! We don't have device drivers any more, we have "Hardware >Abstraction Layers". > >;-) Yeah, its a Microsoftism, I believe. They also went and defined a "Harware Emulation Layer". For some reason, no one wants to program it. :-) --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-09 15:58 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-09 18:56 ` Peter Hend�n 2001-11-10 2:44 ` AdaOS Eric Merritt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter Hend�n @ 2001-11-09 18:56 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 582 bytes --] Ted Dennison wrote: > Yeah, its a Microsoftism, I believe. They also went and defined a "Harware > Emulation Layer". For some reason, no one wants to program it. I'm not so certain it's a MS-ism. I know the topic was discussed in the early 80's, and I doubt that there was any MS products anywhere near. Possibly it was a DEC-ism in those days. Anyhow, the concept has been adopted by Cygwin (eCos) and some real-time linux projects. /Peter H. -- Peter Hend�n http://www.algonet.se/~phenden/ ICQ: 14672398 Teknisk Dokumentation AB http://www.tdab.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2001-11-09 15:58 ` AdaOS Ted Dennison 2001-11-09 18:56 ` AdaOS Peter Hend�n @ 2001-11-10 2:44 ` Eric Merritt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Eric Merritt @ 2001-11-10 2:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada --- Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com> wrote: > In article > <9s9413$11mrei$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, Nick > Roberts says... > > > >Ah, yes, of course! We don't have device drivers > any more, we have "Hardware > >Abstraction Layers". > > > >;-) > > Yeah, its a Microsoftism, I believe. They also went > and defined a "Harware > Emulation Layer". For some reason, no one wants to > program it. > :-) Actually it was done on IBMs As/400 and its ancestors (System 32, 36, 38) long before microsoft got the idea. except there it was called a TIMI layer. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* AdaOS @ 2002-06-10 21:39 Peter I. Hansen 2002-06-10 22:49 ` AdaOS Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter I. Hansen @ 2002-06-10 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello The AdaOS homepage seems to have disappeared... What happened. I hope that the project will be continued. /Peter ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2002-06-10 21:39 AdaOS Peter I. Hansen @ 2002-06-10 22:49 ` Preben Randhol 2002-06-10 23:35 ` AdaOS Gerhard Häring 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-06-10 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw) "Peter I. Hansen" <pih@oek.dk> wrote on 11/06/2002 (00:42) : > Hello > > The AdaOS homepage seems to have disappeared... > What happened. I hope that the project will be continued. Go to: http://64.91.233.59/home/index.php -- Preben Randhol ------------------- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ -- �For me, Ada95 puts back the joy in programming.� ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2002-06-10 22:49 ` AdaOS Preben Randhol @ 2002-06-10 23:35 ` Gerhard Häring 2002-06-11 0:07 ` AdaOS Preben Randhol 2002-06-11 16:42 ` AdaOS Wes Groleau 0 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Gerhard Häring @ 2002-06-10 23:35 UTC (permalink / raw) Preben Randhol wrote in comp.lang.ada: > "Peter I. Hansen" <pih@oek.dk> wrote on 11/06/2002 (00:42) : >> The AdaOS homepage seems to have disappeared... Perhaps this vapourware website full of speling erors is better put offline, anyway. >> What happened. Since the announcement in 1999? Nothing. > I hope that the project will be continued. The secret plan is for Windows and Linux to fade away first ;-) Gerhard, hiding from the forthcoming flames -- mail: gerhard <at> bigfoot <dot> de registered Linux user #64239 web: http://www.cs.fhm.edu/~ifw00065/ OpenPGP public key id AD24C930 public key fingerprint: 3FCC 8700 3012 0A9E B0C9 3667 814B 9CAA AD24 C930 reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,map(lambda x:chr(ord(x)^42),tuple('zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b'))) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2002-06-10 23:35 ` AdaOS Gerhard Häring @ 2002-06-11 0:07 ` Preben Randhol 2002-06-11 16:42 ` AdaOS Wes Groleau 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-06-11 0:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Gerhard H�ring <gerhard@bigfoot.de> wrote on 11/06/2002 (01:42) : > Preben Randhol wrote in comp.lang.ada: For the record I didn't say anything of the below. Can't you people get your quotings right? It isn't bloody rocket-science you know :-( > > "Peter I. Hansen" <pih@oek.dk> wrote on 11/06/2002 (00:42) : > >> The AdaOS homepage seems to have disappeared... > > Perhaps this vapourware website full of speling erors is better put > offline, anyway. > > >> What happened. > > Since the announcement in 1999? Nothing. > > > I hope that the project will be continued. > > The secret plan is for Windows and Linux to fade away first ;-) > > Gerhard, hiding from the forthcoming flames -- Preben Randhol ------------------- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ -- �For me, Ada95 puts back the joy in programming.� ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2002-06-10 23:35 ` AdaOS Gerhard Häring 2002-06-11 0:07 ` AdaOS Preben Randhol @ 2002-06-11 16:42 ` Wes Groleau 2002-06-11 17:06 ` AdaOS Preben Randhol 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Wes Groleau @ 2002-06-11 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Gerhard H�ring wrote: > Perhaps this vapourware website full of speling erors is better put > offline, anyway. You are German, and you have two spelling errors above. Give a Portuguese guy a little slack! -- Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: AdaOS 2002-06-11 16:42 ` AdaOS Wes Groleau @ 2002-06-11 17:06 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-06-11 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Wes Groleau <wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote on 11/06/2002 (18:52) : > > Gerhard H�ring wrote: > > Perhaps this vapourware website full of speling erors is better put > > offline, anyway. > > You are German, and you have two spelling errors > above. Give a Portuguese guy a little slack! Although I think that may be those spelling errors were intentional I agree with you. English pronunciation versus spelling isn't exactly an exact science either :-) -- Preben Randhol ------------------- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ -- �For me, Ada95 puts back the joy in programming.� ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* AdaOS @ 2001-09-10 15:09 Peter Hermann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter Hermann @ 2001-09-10 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw) FYI: Just a few ideas for a modern OS is the title of an interesting discussion in newsgroup comp.software-eng -- Peter Hermann Tel+49-711-685-3611 Fax3758 ica2ph@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de Pfaffenwaldring 27 Raum 114, D-70569 Stuttgart Uni Computeranwendungen http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/ Team Ada: "C'mon people let the world begin" (Paul McCartney) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
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