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From: Justin Gombos <rpbkbq.xax.gld@uluv.kbq>
Subject: Re: What is wrong with Ada?
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:25:16 GMT
Date: 2007-04-23T02:25:16+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gOUWh.1039$YI1.346@trndny04> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 461B52A6.20102@obry.net

On 2007-04-10, Pascal Obry <pascal@obry.net> wrote:
> Jeffrey R. Carter a �crit :
>
> Agreed 100%. Another way to put it, let me ask : What's wrong with
> developers ? Why do they like unsafe languages ? Why do they like
> fighting a language all the time ? Why do they like unreadable code
> ?  Why do they like to play with a debugger ? Why do they like to
> play Sherlock Holmes during hours to look for a bug ? Here are the
> real questions to me, again nothing wrong with Ada to me !

It fits the personality profile of C.S. folk.  The enjoyment of
solving technical puzzles is what brings so many of them to this
career.  The discipline that Ada requires is at odds with the
immediate gratification that coders get when they skip the careful
planning part of the task to get right to the "fun stuff."

Adaists are more stimulated by the deferred gratification of
overseeing the careful construction of their gold-plated masterpiece,
and they're driven by the absense of bug reports, maintainability, and
the reduced impact of late requirements changes.

I also think Adaists are an evolutionary step beyond those who program
dangerously.  Immediate gratification developers have the potential to
become Adaists after they get worn out by all the negative side
effects of dangerous languages and haphazard techniques.  And then
there are some who never have an urge to migrate toward sane
development.  

Then there are the Adaists who are only in it for the illusion of
quality work or cool projects, and avoid the strong typing, and
circumvent language features that make Ada code robust.  These are the
singularly most dangerous developers, because they get in on safety
critical projects only knowing Ada syntax (not Ada principles).  Their
dangerous impact is then strengthened by short-sighted bean counters
who believe they're saving the project money with shortcuts (like
avoiding private types).

-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-23  2:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-09 20:31 What is wrong with Ada? martinbishop
2007-04-10  1:14 ` Chip and Allie Orange
2007-04-10  8:32   ` gautier_niouzes
2007-04-10 18:21     ` Chip Orange
2007-04-10  1:15 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-10  9:02   ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-10 14:32     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 15:09       ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-10 15:39         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 16:12           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-10 17:31             ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-10 18:24               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 18:28                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-10 20:22                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11  9:40               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-11 11:20                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-11 23:45                 ` Brian May
2007-04-12  7:40                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-12 16:44                   ` kevin  cline
2007-04-12 17:32                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-12 16:46                   ` kevin  cline
2007-04-12 17:35                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-21  2:13                       ` adaworks
2007-04-21  9:49                         ` Simon Wright
2007-04-21 14:15                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22  7:38                             ` adaworks
2007-04-23  1:33                               ` Brian May
2007-04-21 18:33                           ` adaworks
2007-04-12 18:11                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16 14:25                       ` Bob Spooner
2007-04-16 14:50                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17  9:17                           ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-17 10:04                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-17 15:02                             ` Ed Falis
2007-04-17 15:48                               ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-17 20:53                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-18  0:21                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-18  8:16                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-21  2:18                               ` adaworks
2007-04-12 18:47                   ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-12 19:39                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-12 19:54                       ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-04-12 20:41                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-14 19:56                         ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-13  0:16                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-14  7:01                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-14 10:48                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 13:41                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-15 16:01                               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 17:51                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-15 21:41                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 22:00                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16  8:26                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-16  9:04                                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17  7:58                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-17  9:27                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-17 10:46                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17 10:48                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 23:06                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22 21:50                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23 19:26                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-23 20:39                                       ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-24  8:39                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-24 16:43                                           ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-23 22:02                                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-14 22:49                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 23:39                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23 21:16                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-04-23 21:21                           ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-23 22:15                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12 21:18                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-13  7:39                       ` Stuart
2007-04-13  9:05                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-13  0:10                     ` Brian May
2007-04-13  8:55                     ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-04-14 22:47                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 19:50                     ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-14 22:52                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 19:28                 ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-16  8:50                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-16  9:18                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-16  9:56                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16 16:45                     ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-17  9:05                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-17 14:51                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-22  7:42                           ` adaworks
2007-04-10 18:15             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-20 16:34             ` adaworks
2007-04-10 19:44       ` Simon Wright
2007-04-10 20:43         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 22:02       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-10 22:15         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11  8:59           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-20 16:25       ` adaworks
2007-04-20 20:35         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-21  5:51           ` adaworks
2007-04-25  0:10         ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-10 15:59     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-10 16:31       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-10 18:08         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11 23:05         ` kevin  cline
2007-04-12  7:55           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-12 10:43           ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-04-12 13:04             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-13 10:46               ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-04-13 16:25                 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-14 23:41                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22  7:54           ` adaworks
2007-04-21 18:50         ` adaworks
2007-04-21 19:53           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]             ` <H5EWh.6302$H_5.612@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>
2007-04-22  9:33               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-10 23:43     ` Brian May
2007-04-12 14:25       ` Bob Spooner
2007-04-13  0:22         ` Brian May
2007-04-23  2:25     ` Justin Gombos [this message]
2007-05-16  1:29     ` Adrian Hoe
2007-04-10  1:25 ` Brian May
2007-04-10  1:48   ` martinbishop
2007-04-10  8:33     ` gautier_niouzes
2007-04-10 14:58     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 19:05       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-10 20:27         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12  1:18           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-12 13:02             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12  8:47           ` Ada vendor FAQ (was: What is wrong with Ada?) Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-11 15:21 ` What is wrong with Ada? Jason King
2007-04-11 17:53   ` tmoran
2007-04-12 18:55   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2007-04-13  2:59     ` Jason King
2007-04-13  9:03       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-14 15:28         ` Jason King
2007-04-16 16:48           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-21 12:56 ` AJAskey
2007-04-21 13:50   ` jimmaureenrogers
2007-04-21 14:46     ` AJAskey
2007-04-21 15:43       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23  1:37         ` Brian May
2007-04-21 15:48       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-21 21:42       ` jimmaureenrogers
     [not found]         ` <vzwWh.2452$Ut6.1591@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
2007-04-22  0:53           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25  0:20     ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-25  9:57       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25 11:19         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-25 11:54           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25 13:24             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-25 13:41             ` adaworks
2007-04-26  3:24       ` jimmaureenrogers
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