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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: GNAT and Tasklets
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:59:56 +0100
Date: 2014-12-19T09:59:56+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <g5yzn8c2w5ic.156k3wrg8f2ak.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m6vmbu$82q$1@loke.gir.dk

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:01:18 -0600, Randy Brukardt wrote:

> As I noted later, there should only be one task reading/writing the socket 
> at a time.

That might be OK for a server application, but clients must read and write
from socket concurrently. In a half-duplex scenario (client-server is) it
is highly advisable that one of the peers read and write simultaneously in
order to prevent deadlock. Consider a case when a peer tries to write when
another is reading. This may happen in half-duplex exchange on protocol
errors.

For full-duplex exchanges you simply must do it concurrently. There are
lots of full-duplex protocols over sockets. 

> That's of course especially true with a proper higher-level communications 
> library, since there almost certainly will be instance data that needs to be 
> protected against multi-access.

That is not a problem, usually. The states manipulated when reading and
ones upon writing are usually well insulated.

>> Having several I/O-processes makes it easy to change the
>> way of communication, and still have the same business logic.
>> (say an installation from 1992 talks Siemens 3964r/k512 over a serial
>> line (its a old standard protocol) and they want to switch plc's
>> which talks tcp/ip with another transmission protocol.
>> If keeping the messages within the protocol intact,
>> then it's just matter of a new I/O process.
>> The rest of the system is untouched including business logic processes.
>> (I just did this this spring)
> 
> I still think this sounds way too low-level.

Typical socket architecture is

1. Low-level I(O
2. Protocol stack(s)
3. Application logic

Any of 1-3 can be handled tasks taken from some workers pool.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-12-19  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-10 16:31 GNAT and Tasklets vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-11 10:02 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-12-11 16:30   ` Anh Vo
2014-12-11 18:15     ` David Botton
2014-12-11 21:45     ` Egil H H
2014-12-11 23:09   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-12  2:28     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-12-12  8:46   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-12 23:33     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-13  2:06   ` Brad Moore
2014-12-13  6:50     ` Dirk Craeynest
2014-12-14  0:18 ` Hubert
2014-12-14 21:29   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-16  5:09     ` Brad Moore
2014-12-17 13:24       ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-16  4:42 ` Brad Moore
2014-12-17 13:06   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-17 20:31     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-12-17 22:08       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-17 22:52         ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-17 23:58           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18 10:39             ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-18 23:01               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19  8:39                 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-12-19 23:39                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19  8:59                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2014-12-19 11:56                 ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-20  0:02                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  8:42       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18  8:56         ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18  9:36           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18 10:32             ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 11:19               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18 12:09                 ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 13:07                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 10:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-19 11:01                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 16:42                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 17:28                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 18:35                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 20:37                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-20  1:05                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-20 17:36                                 ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 18:23                                   ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 19:21                                     ` Shark8
2014-12-21 19:45                                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 23:21                                         ` Shark8
2014-12-22 16:53                                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 21:35                                     ` tmoran
2014-12-21 22:50                                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 23:34                                         ` Shark8
2014-12-22 16:55                                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-22 23:06                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-20 16:49                             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-12-20 17:58                               ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 19:43                           ` Peter Chapin
2014-12-19 20:45                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-19 20:56                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 23:55                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19 23:51                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18 22:33               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19 13:01                 ` GNAT�and Tasklets vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-19 17:46                   ` GNAT?and Tasklets Brad Moore
2014-12-20  0:39                   ` GNAT and Tasklets Peter Chapin
2014-12-20  9:03                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-20  0:58                   ` GNAT�and Tasklets Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  9:34         ` GNAT and Tasklets Niklas Holsti
2014-12-18  9:50           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-17 21:08     ` Brad Moore
2014-12-18  8:47       ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 21:58         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-17 22:18     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  0:56     ` Shark8
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