From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: How to convert a string containing two hex digits to a character?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:13:01 +0100
Date: 2010-01-11T19:13:00+01:00 [thread overview]
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:53:14 -0800 (PST), Adam Beneschan wrote:
> On Jan 9, 8:04�am, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
> wrote:
>
>>> There are no Pred and Succ on reals, complexes and the likes,
>>
>> BTW, there is Float'Succ! I tempted to say due to a language design flaw,
>> because it exposes the nature of Float as a model.
>
> I don't see this is a flaw. It's a reminder that a Float, on any
> computer, in any language, is actually limited to a subset of rational
> numbers,
Technically no:
1. the radix can be irrational = you can have a finite set or irrational
numbers
2. infinite sets of rational numbers still have no Succ
But I know what you meant. Yes any set of model numbers is finite. BUT that
alone is not enough to have Succ well-defined. Consider the model x=P/Q,
where P and Q are bignums. In this model of real numbers there is no
meaningful Succ.
> which means you need to exercise some caution when using
> them. Programmers who think "Float" can represent any real number,
> and that arithmetic on them is just like doing arithmetic on real
> numbers, are going to get into trouble, so it doesn't seem like a good
> thing to hide "the nature of Float as a model".
But also using operations specific to the given implementation (model) make
the program fragile. I think that Succ is OK for fixed-point numbers, but
less sure in the case of floating-point ones.
> Anyway, Float'Succ was not present in Ada 83 but was added in Ada 95,
> so someone must have thought it was useful for some practical purpose.
They also added 'Adjacent, which could serve same purpose. However upper
and lower pairs +,-,*,/ would be more useful. (Upper + is greater or equal
to the exact +).
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2010-01-06 0:39 How to convert a string containing two hex digits to a character? Leslie
2010-01-06 0:43 ` Leslie
2010-01-06 1:22 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2010-01-06 1:31 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2010-01-06 2:05 ` Leslie
2010-01-06 2:39 ` Leslie
2010-01-06 2:42 ` Leslie
2010-01-06 21:54 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-01-06 22:19 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2010-01-09 10:50 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2010-01-09 11:13 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2010-01-09 11:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-01-09 14:50 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2010-01-09 16:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-01-11 15:53 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-01-11 18:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2010-01-15 19:59 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2010-01-15 22:06 ` John B. Matthews
2010-01-06 5:17 ` tmoran
2010-01-06 22:19 ` Leslie
2010-01-06 22:22 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2010-01-07 14:26 ` John B. Matthews
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