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From: Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid>
Subject: Re: Ada Successor Language
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:03:17 +0300
Date: 2018-06-25T17:03:17+03:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fpcb15Fk3saU1@mid.individual.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pgqnt3$6rv$1@gioia.aioe.org>

On 18-06-25 15:41 , J-P. Rosen wrote:
> Le 25/06/2018 à 10:58, Alejandro R. Mosteo a écrit :
>> See this one, which is the case that bit me recently:
>>
>> procedure Blah is
>>     generic
>>         type Something is private;
>>     package Duh is
>>         type Meh is new Something;
>>     end Duh;
>>
>>     type Oh is tagged null record;
>>
>>     package Ouch is new Duh (Oh);
>>
>> begin
>>    null;
>> end Blah;
>
> A private formal allows tagged and untagged types. However, deriving
> without extension is legal only for untagged types.

So it says in RM 3.4(5/2), but even the Annotated RM has no motivation 
for it, and I don't see why Ada could not assume a null extension when 
the type is tagged. Can someone explain why the RM is so strict on this?

(In fact, it seems to me that Ada could allow untagged record extensions 
as well; the effect would be the same as for tagged ones, but no 'Class 
would be formed, and no class-wide programming or dynamic dispatch could 
be used, so all such types would be static. It would be semantically 
equivalent to aggregation of a component of the parent type with the 
extension components, but would allow direct access to the inherited 
components from the parent type. This could be a useful separation of 
extensions from tags.)

> Since it is a
> specification (that you are supposed to have read), the compiler assumes
> the best and allows the derivation. When you instantiate with a tagged
> type, you would be doing something illegal and the instantiation is not
> allowed.
>
> The same derivation would not compile in the body of the generic, where
> the worst is assumed.

But it does compile in the body, at least with my GNAT. And ARM 
3.4(5.e/2) explains: "Note that this is legal in the private part or 
body of an instance, both to avoid a contract model violation, and 
because no code that can see that the type is actually tagged can also 
see the derived type declaration."

By the way, it seems to me that the Ramification ARM 3.4(5.b/2) is wrong 
to refer to the "only if" part of the rule in 5/2, and should instead 
refer to the "if" part of the rule, which is the part that is violated 
in the ARM example (which is the same as the example being discussed here).

-- 
Niklas Holsti
Tidorum Ltd
niklas holsti tidorum fi
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-25 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-02  4:43 Ada Successor Language Shark8
2018-06-02  6:52 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-04  2:27   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-04 21:06   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-05 12:31     ` Lucretia
2018-06-02  8:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-02 12:14   ` Mehdi Saada
2018-06-02 12:43     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-03  7:39       ` Safety of user-defined operators (was: Ada Successor Language) G.B.
2018-06-03  7:58         ` Safety of user-defined operators Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-02 12:57     ` Ada Successor Language Luke A. Guest
2018-06-04 21:17       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-02 13:48 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-03 10:01 ` ric.wai88
2018-06-03 13:04   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-03 13:09   ` Shark8
2018-06-03 15:14     ` Lucretia
2018-06-03 15:09   ` Lucretia
2018-06-03 15:14     ` ric.wai88
2018-06-03 15:16       ` Lucretia
2018-06-03 15:22         ` ric.wai88
2018-06-03 15:31           ` Lucretia
2018-06-03 15:41             ` ric.wai88
2018-06-03 15:54     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-03 16:43     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-06-04  5:01       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-04  7:19         ` Simon Wright
2018-06-04  7:44           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-04 13:53             ` Björn Lundin
2018-06-04 16:54             ` G. B.
2018-06-04 19:37               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-04 22:12                 ` G.B.
2018-06-05  7:18                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-04 13:25           ` Lucretia
2018-06-04 14:08           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-04 14:55             ` Lucretia
2018-06-26 13:58         ` jm.tarrasa
2018-06-26 18:44           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-03 18:44     ` Björn Lundin
2018-06-03 19:37     ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-03 23:56       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-04  0:24         ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-04  0:41           ` Ben Bacarisse
2018-06-04  2:01         ` ric.wai88
2018-06-05 16:46     ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-06 21:02       ` gautier_niouzes
2018-06-08 10:03         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-04  3:19 ` John Smith
2018-06-04 20:56 ` Mehdi Saada
2018-06-04 21:14 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-05  0:17   ` Shark8
2018-06-05 16:01     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-18  3:31     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-18  6:58       ` Björn Lundin
2018-06-18 12:33         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-18 19:16       ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-18 19:28         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-18 20:22         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-06-18 20:45           ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-18 21:20             ` Shark8
2018-06-18 21:27               ` ric.wai88
2018-06-18 21:51                 ` Shark8
2018-06-22 11:14                 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-18 22:23               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-18 22:36                 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-19  0:10                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-19 20:32                     ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-19 20:37                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20  8:30                     ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-06-19  7:58                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-19 19:19                     ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-19 19:30                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-19 19:39                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-19 20:30                         ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-20  7:13                           ` Simon Wright
2018-06-29 20:11                             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-20  7:59                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-22 11:14                             ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-23 19:21                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-24  8:34                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-24  9:19                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-25  7:00                                   ` briot.emmanuel
2018-06-25  8:23                                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-06-29 20:20                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-25  8:58                               ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-25  9:19                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-06-25 12:41                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-25 14:03                                   ` Niklas Holsti [this message]
2018-06-25 14:21                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-25 14:44                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-25 15:19                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-25 16:21                                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-26  7:44                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-26 13:59                                               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-26 14:05                                                 ` ric.wai88
2018-06-26 15:38                                                   ` Simon Wright
2018-06-26 16:50                                                     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-26 17:25                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-26 18:47                                                         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-26 19:29                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-26 20:03                                                             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-26 20:59                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29  3:11                                                               ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-29  3:37                                                                 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-29  3:48                                                                   ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-29  7:29                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29  7:20                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 13:25                                                                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-29 17:39                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 19:46                                                                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-29 21:36                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 22:21                                                                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-26 21:15                                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-27  7:07                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-26 14:17                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-26 14:42                                                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-26 14:47                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-26 21:01                                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-26 22:03                                                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-27  2:28                                                     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-27  2:58                                                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-27  7:15                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-27 16:33                                                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-27 19:11                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-25 18:05                                           ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-26  7:42                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-25 19:32                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-25 19:16                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-25 20:13                                         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-25 20:52                                           ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-26  7:57                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-26 20:16                                     ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-26 20:49                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-26 21:09                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 20:35                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-25 14:18                                   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-29 20:47                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-29 20:23                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-02  9:37                                   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-29 20:17                             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-29 22:11                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 22:36                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-30  8:34                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-19 21:07                         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20  7:33                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-22 11:13                             ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-22 16:02                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-25  8:20                                 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-06-26 17:20                                   ` Shark8
2018-06-26 17:42                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-25  8:21                                 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-25  9:12                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-22 15:18                             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 15:49                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-19  2:45                 ` Shark8
2018-06-19  7:50                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-19 15:35                 ` Shark8
2018-06-19  7:35               ` G. B.
2018-06-19 11:36                 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-19 15:37                 ` Shark8
2018-06-19 17:07                   ` G. B.
2018-06-29 20:05               ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-29 23:18                 ` Shark8
2018-07-03 21:39                   ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-19  0:20         ` Lucretia
2018-06-19 11:51           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-19 13:54             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-06  9:13   ` Niklas Holsti
2018-06-08 16:28     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-08 16:56       ` Mehdi Saada
2018-06-08 17:33       ` Shark8
2018-06-12  1:51         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-12 15:23           ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-12 15:44             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-12 17:59               ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-13 16:03                 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-13 16:20                   ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-13 18:04               ` G. B.
2018-06-13  5:53             ` Shark8
2018-06-13  6:57               ` Simon Wright
2018-06-13 18:58                 ` Shark8
2018-06-13 19:19                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-14  3:19                     ` Lucretia
2018-06-14  7:26                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-14 11:25                         ` Lucretia
2018-06-14 12:22                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-15  3:35                             ` Lucretia
2018-06-15  7:20                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-15 16:03                                 ` Lucretia
2018-06-15 20:50                                   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-06-15 11:38                     ` jm.tarrasa
2018-06-15 12:06                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-15 15:42                         ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-15 17:30                           ` Simon Wright
2018-06-15 17:55                           ` jm.tarrasa
2018-06-15 19:58                             ` Shark8
2018-06-16  7:04                               ` Simon Wright
2018-06-16  9:14                               ` jm.tarrasa
2018-06-16 10:22                                 ` Simon Wright
2018-06-16 10:50                                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-06-16 11:32                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-13 21:15                   ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-14  3:20                     ` Lucretia
2018-06-14  3:27                     ` Shark8
2018-06-14  5:17                       ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-14 21:00                   ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-15  3:41                     ` Lucretia
2018-06-15  7:08                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-15  7:15                     ` Simon Wright
2018-06-14  8:51                 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-06-08 20:38 ` Mehdi Saada
2018-06-13  5:46   ` Shark8
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