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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Your wish list for Ada 202X
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:39:47 +0200
Date: 2014-04-23T19:39:47+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fjubyn2c6net$.1egl68m0hoipe$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: lj8qdv$j23$1@dont-email.me

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:40:33 +0200, J-P. Rosen wrote:

> Le 23/04/2014 18:27, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit :
>>> But that would require every type to have a 'Img. Yes, you said you
>>> > wanted that, but there are clearly types where no sensible image could
>>> > be provided.
>> No, I didn't want that.
>> 
>> Instead I would do two things:
>> 
>> 1. Classes for all types;
>> 
>> 2. An interface named Printable (or whatever else name) with the primitive
>> operation Image.
>> 
>> Now, if a type is supposed to have Image, it must implement the interface.
>> All scalar types will.
>> 
>> If a record type need to have Image, you inherit to Printable. If Image is
>> needed in a generic the formal type inherits to Printable. That's it.
> 
> But why require such a machinery? If you want to express that a formal
> type must feature an Image function, you can do it even in '83:
> 
> generic
>    type T is private;
>    with function Image (Item : T) return String;
> package Foo is...
> 
> What would an attribute bring as benefit?

Primitive operation (and an attribute) cannot get lost, become hidden,
replaced by another operation. A stray formal function can and easily does.

Furthermore, the formal declarations above is nothing but a poor man's
description of an interface, ADT + operations (Image, ":=", "=", "/=" etc).

Since Ada 95 has proper interfaces (tagged types), we should rather use
them. Which is shorter (you don't need to reiterate the list of operations)
and *greatly* safer, because proper interfaces are matched nominally, while
generic formal interfaces are matched by structure, proper interfaces can
be encapsulated in packages and formal interfaces cannot, proper interfaces
can be reused in several packages and formal interfaces need cut and paste
and so on.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

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Thread overview: 240+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-25 21:41 Your wish list for Ada 202X Stoik
2014-03-25 22:14 ` Simon Wright
2014-03-26  6:25 ` Shark8
2014-03-26 20:41   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-27  9:20     ` Shark8
2014-03-27 21:50       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-28  1:54         ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-03-28  8:17         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-28 21:27           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-29  9:44             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-31 23:55               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-01  8:20                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-01 10:51                   ` G.B.
2014-04-01 12:40                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-02 22:39                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-03  2:59                     ` Shark8
2014-04-05 11:10                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-08  1:15                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-08  9:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-08 10:15                           ` G.B.
2014-04-08 10:56                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-08 23:37                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-09 10:40                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-10  3:28                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-10  8:42                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-10 21:52                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-10 15:31                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-10 22:08                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-11  6:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-11 21:34                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-10 22:39                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-11  6:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-11 21:44                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-12  8:45                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-14 23:39                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-15  7:55                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-15 21:27                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-16  7:52                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-16 21:53                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-17  7:39                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-17 17:29                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-17 19:54                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-11 19:04                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-11 20:43                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-11 22:04                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-12  8:20                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-12  8:39                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-12  9:38                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-12  9:55                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-12 10:45                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-14 23:45                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-12 10:17                                               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-12 10:48                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-13 19:43                                           ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-13 21:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-18 19:10                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-18 21:18                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19  7:35                                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19  8:19                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19  8:39                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19  9:08                                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19 10:06                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19 13:53                                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19 14:21                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19 18:28                                                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19  9:05                                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-19 10:18                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-15  0:08                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-15  7:21                                               ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-15 21:20                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-16  6:32                                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-16  7:24                                                   ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-16  7:31                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-16  9:30                                                   ` Redispatching (was: Your wish list for Ada 202X) J-P. Rosen
2014-04-16 19:53                                                     ` Redispatching Niklas Holsti
2014-04-17  7:26                                                       ` Redispatching Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-17  8:22                                                         ` Redispatching Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-18 20:08                                                         ` Redispatching Niklas Holsti
2014-04-18 20:51                                                           ` Redispatching Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19  9:17                                                             ` Redispatching Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 10:58                                                               ` Redispatching Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19 11:21                                                                 ` Redispatching Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-17  8:53                                                       ` Redispatching J-P. Rosen
2014-04-16 21:44                                               ` Your wish list for Ada 202X Niklas Holsti
2014-04-16 22:27                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-18 19:59                                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-18 21:28                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-19  8:14                                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-21 23:09                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-22  6:08                                                           ` Niklas Holsti
2014-04-22  8:02                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22  8:30                                                             ` Shark8
2014-04-22  9:14                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22 23:23                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-23  7:45                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 19:43                                                                     ` Shark8
2014-04-23 20:00                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 21:28                                                                         ` Shark8
2014-04-24  7:30                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-24 15:20                                                                             ` Shark8
2014-04-24 16:19                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-24 16:50                                                                                 ` Shark8
2014-04-24 16:57                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-19 10:02                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-03-27 22:06       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-28  5:23         ` Shark8
2014-03-26  8:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-26  9:02   ` J Kimball
2014-03-26  9:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-26 10:30       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2014-03-26 15:11         ` G.B.
2014-03-26 21:55       ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-26 15:03     ` G.B.
2014-03-26 22:00     ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-26 16:01   ` Anh Vo
2014-03-26 17:04     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-27 15:03       ` Dan'l Miller
2014-03-27 16:02         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-26 16:17   ` Stoik
2014-03-26 17:15     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-26 18:04     ` G.B.
2014-03-26 18:47       ` Simon Wright
2014-03-26 19:51         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-03-27 14:43       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-03-27 22:50         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-28  5:22           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-03-28  7:54           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-03-28 21:22             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-26 21:06     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-03-26 23:15       ` J Kimball
2014-03-27  8:26       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-27 10:54         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-03-27 15:42           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-27 21:35         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-29 14:26       ` Tero Koskinen
2014-04-29 15:39         ` Dan'l Miller
2014-04-29 17:10         ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-29 17:13           ` Tero Koskinen
2014-04-29 19:42             ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-30 12:28 ` francois_fabien
2014-03-30 13:40   ` Luke A. Guest
2014-03-30 14:24     ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-30 18:48       ` Luke A. Guest
2014-03-30 19:22         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-30 14:28     ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-30 15:14       ` Peter Chapin
2014-03-30 18:48         ` Luke A. Guest
2014-03-30 18:48       ` Luke A. Guest
2014-03-30 23:41         ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-31 15:39     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-03-30 13:46   ` Simon Clubley
2014-03-30 19:02   ` Pascal Obry
2014-03-30 19:33     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-03-30 19:59       ` Pascal Obry
2014-03-31 15:13         ` Stoik
2014-03-31 16:22           ` Pascal Obry
2014-03-31 16:47           ` Pascal Obry
2014-03-31 18:59           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-05  8:28       ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-05 11:06         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-05 11:20           ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-02 16:21 ` Britt
2014-04-02 22:53   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-03  0:01     ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-03  5:51       ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-03  6:27         ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-03 17:18           ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-03 19:11             ` Dan'l Miller
2014-04-03 19:18             ` Dan'l Miller
2014-04-03 21:17             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-04  0:29               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-04  8:20                 ` Stefan.Lucks
2014-04-04 19:52                   ` J Kimball
2014-04-04 20:43                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-04 20:54                       ` Shark8
2014-04-04 21:47                       ` Luke A. Guest
2014-04-08  0:47                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-08  4:43                           ` J Kimball
2014-04-08  5:25                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-08 23:44                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-04 20:53                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-04 23:25                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-03  6:30         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-03  0:06     ` Britt
2014-04-03 15:15   ` Robert A Duff
2014-04-03 20:19     ` Qun-Ying
2014-04-03 22:56       ` Robert A Duff
2014-04-04 18:31 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-04-04 21:08   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-05  3:39   ` Peter Chapin
2014-04-04 20:27 ` Shark8
2014-04-14  4:59 ` J Kimball
2014-04-14  6:54   ` Shark8
2014-04-15  0:22     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-15  0:18   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-15  5:28     ` J Kimball
2014-04-14 22:36 ` Shark8
2014-04-15  8:41   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-18  0:55 ` Robert Love
2014-04-18 11:39   ` Simon Wright
2014-04-23 12:55 ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 13:57   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 14:32     ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 15:43       ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 16:31         ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 16:42           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 17:51             ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 21:29               ` Pascal Obry
2014-04-23 22:00                 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 23:48                   ` Shark8
2014-04-24  5:28                     ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 20:11             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-23 20:03           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-24  9:08             ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 18:02         ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-23 20:14           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-24  9:16             ` björn lundin
2014-04-24 11:33               ` G.B.
2014-04-24 12:11                 ` björn lundin
2014-04-24 12:32                   ` G.B.
2014-04-23 14:38     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 15:46       ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 16:27         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 16:40           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 17:39             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2014-04-23 21:40               ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-24  7:42                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-24  9:18                   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-04-23 14:06   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 14:44     ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 20:28       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-24 10:31         ` björn lundin
2014-04-25  1:22           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-25  2:19             ` Shark8
2014-04-25  7:31               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 14:58     ` björn lundin
2014-04-23 18:05   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-04-23 19:48   ` Shark8
2014-04-24  9:03     ` G.B.
2014-04-25  1:27       ` Randy Brukardt
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