From: fjm@ti.com (Fred J. McCall)
Subject: Re: Should internet support software be written in Ada?
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:32:50
Date: 1995-03-28T09:32:50+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fjm.80.00098C5C@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3l6hra$h05@theopolis.orl.mmc.com
In article <3l6hra$h05@theopolis.orl.mmc.com> Theodore Dennison <dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com> writes:
>Fred J. McCall <fjm@ti.com> writes
>> In article <3ks2o3$bab@theopolis.orl.mmc.com> Theodore Dennison <dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com> writes:
>> >Now, I too have seen some bad C code in my time. But this is the first I have
>> >EVER seen anyone actually use a "goto". In a language with a good selection of
>> >looping constructs like C, there is NO excuse for this. (Well, perhaps
>> >stupidity...)
>>
>> T'would seem that this commodity is actually on your part. Depending on the
>> application and the structure of the problem, there are times when 'goto' is
>> the appropriate solution. This sort of 'structured programming' bigotry is
>> merely silly and is the sort of thing that leads to code obfuscated by
>> numerous loops, tests, and unnecessary control variables.
>"Structured Programming Bigotry"? Are you being serious?
Yes.
>Well, in case you are, I'm now curious. At what times is a "goto" an
>appropriate solution? The best excuse I ever heard was for simulating exception
>handling in a language that didn't support it.
Any time the code is 'cleaner' with it than without it. This is often the
case for things like state machines and dispatchers. By all means, though, if
you don't have the judgement to be able to tell, you probably should never use
it.
>I'm sorry if I'm taking sarcasm seriously, but I didn't see any smileys.
There weren't any. Any time you think you can unequivocably say that
'construct X is bad and should never be used', you are almost certainly wrong.
This is *EXACTLY* the sort of thinking all too many 'structured programming
bigots' inflict on the people around them.
>>
>> >There, That ought to get the flames going!
>>
>> Hope you're happy now. Don't bother to reply. The very comment convinces me
>> you don't know enough to have a valid opinion.
>Oooh! Looks like I was right.
Wrong twice. One more strike and you're out.
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1995-03-17 0:24 Should internet support software be written in Ada? Bill Brooks
1995-03-17 8:47 ` Anthony Shipman
1995-03-19 22:06 ` David Weller
1995-03-23 15:05 ` Theodore Dennison
1995-03-24 10:26 ` Fred J. McCall
1995-03-27 9:50 ` Robb Nebbe
1995-03-27 19:43 ` State machines and Goto's (was Re: Should internet support software be written in Ada?) Robert I. Eachus
1995-03-27 23:14 ` Arthur Evans Jr
1995-03-29 0:00 ` Dan
1995-04-01 0:00 ` Mike White
1995-04-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-06 0:00 ` Theodore Dennison
1995-04-06 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-07 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1995-04-07 0:00 ` Mike White
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[not found] ` <dewar.797514490@gnat>
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1995-04-20 0:00 ` CS teachers who can't code their way outta a paper bag Richard A. O'Keefe
1995-03-27 14:24 ` Should internet support software be written in Ada? Theodore Dennison
1995-03-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-03-28 9:32 ` Fred J. McCall [this message]
1995-03-29 0:00 ` Theodore Dennison
1995-03-29 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-03-31 0:00 ` Theodore Dennison
1995-04-05 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1995-04-07 0:00 ` State machines and Goto's (was Re: Should internet support software be written in Ada?) Wes Groleau
1995-04-07 0:00 ` Robert Firth
[not found] ` <D6qyv0.6Jv@nntpa.cb.att.com>
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Fred J. McCall
1995-04-19 0:00 ` George Haddad
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1995-04-20 0:00 ` State machines and Goto's (was Re: Sho Brian Hanson
1995-04-20 0:00 ` State machines and Goto's (was Re: Should internet support software be written in Ada?) Bill Winn
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-03-22 23:08 ` Should internet support software be written in Ada? Keith Thompson
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1995-04-20 0:00 ` Academic CS Losers? Phillip Fanous
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Bill Winn
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1995-04-20 0:00 ` What good is halting prob? Max Hailperin
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1995-04-19 0:00 ` Problems with proofs Brian Harvey
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Steve Tate
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Apology to Steve Robin Rowe
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Problems with proofs Robert Dewar
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Larry Kahn
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robin Rowe
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1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Garlington KE
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1995-04-20 0:00 ` Teaching OO/C++ Philip Machanick
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1995-04-18 0:00 ` What good is halting prob? Jay M Martin
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Steve Tate
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Jay M Martin
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Steve Tate
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Ray Toal
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1995-04-19 0:00 ` Randolph Crawford
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Brian Hanson
1995-04-21 0:00 ` sxc
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1995-04-19 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Steve Tate
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1995-04-19 0:00 ` Robb Nebbe
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Richard Ladd Kirkham
1995-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Richard Ladd Kirkham
1995-04-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1995-03-06 21:01 Should internet support software be written in Ada? Bennett, Chip (KTR) ~U
1995-03-07 2:35 ` Vladimir Vukicevic
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