From: Dave Thompson <david.thompson1@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Type safety on wikipedia
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:02:15 GMT
Date: 2006-02-06T05:02:15+00:00 [thread overview]
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On 26 Jan 2006 16:38:29 -0800, "jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net"
<jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
<snip>
> The problem is one of attempting to dereference a null access object.
> The above program compiles without error.
>
The actual problem is a dangling access (pointer) not a null one, as
already noted elsethread.
> When run, I get [CONSTRAINT_ERROR]...
> It appears that Ada's runtime checks detect an erroneous problem. ...
Yes, at least by default.
> In C, while it is an error to de-reference a null pointer, the runtime
> system
> does nothing to detect the problem. C programs continue with really
> nasty
> garbage values.
>
Yes and no. The C standard leaves it up to the implementation.
On some (increasingly many) systems with virtual memory where it is
easy (enough) to leave page (or even segment) 0 unmapped, it will give
a clear error, usually even a recoverable signal (roughly like the
exception in Ada). On some (other) systems, (virtual) 0 is accessible
(and accessed) but is reserved and initialized with "useful" data,
such as 4 bytes of zero which in the most common read cases (as a
string, char, or int) gives a safe and possibly even useful result.
But you can't portably rely on, or enforce, this; and garbage is
certainly a possibility.
- David.Thompson1 at worldnet.att.net
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-26 7:28 Type safety on wikipedia Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 11:58 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2006-01-26 17:10 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 20:24 ` Simon Wright
2006-01-26 20:43 ` Simon Wright
2006-01-27 6:58 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 23:43 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2006-01-27 11:14 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2006-01-27 11:57 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-27 15:30 ` Larry Kilgallen
2006-01-27 19:04 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-27 22:06 ` Larry Kilgallen
2006-01-28 7:04 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-29 21:48 ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-27 12:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-26 13:49 ` Rod Chapman
2006-01-26 17:05 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 18:14 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 13:53 ` jimmaureenrogers
2006-01-26 15:18 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2006-01-26 16:49 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 18:19 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2006-01-26 20:38 ` Simon Wright
2006-01-27 11:13 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2006-01-27 19:38 ` Simon Wright
2006-01-27 23:24 ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-28 6:53 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-27 18:58 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-27 19:50 ` Simon Wright
2006-01-28 6:52 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 19:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-26 19:07 ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-27 0:38 ` jimmaureenrogers
2006-01-27 18:54 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-28 1:48 ` Jan Andres
2006-01-28 6:44 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-31 2:13 ` Randy Brukardt
2006-02-06 5:02 ` Dave Thompson [this message]
2006-02-06 8:29 ` Larry Kilgallen
2006-01-27 11:34 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2006-01-27 12:18 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-27 15:27 ` Florian Weimer
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