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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:48:53 -0500
Date: 2007-10-09T17:48:53-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <feh0b9$muu$1@jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m2d4vo80jj.fsf@mac.com

"Simon Wright" <simon.j.wright@mac.com> wrote in message
news:m2d4vo80jj.fsf@mac.com...
> "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com> writes:
>
> > It would be easier to correctly use "protected" (task-safe)
> > containers in concurrent uses than ones that only allowed a small
> > amount of concurrency.  Not everyone is an expert in concurrency,
> > after all.
>
> Clearly one can protect a single container, either by wrapping it in
> (for example) a protected object; or by providing an internal
> mechanism.
>
> But it's been my experience that applications that involve containers
> at all usually involve more than one container, in the same way that a
> database application usually involves more than one table. With either
> implementation technology, you have to preserve integrity. And in the
> Ada case, that means locking more than one container object at the
> same time.

I think that depends on how coupled the application is. For instance, my
spam filter has message tokens that move throughout the system, and the only
synchronized containers needed are the queues for those tokens. Each task is
waiting on a specific queue, operates on the token it receives, and then
puts the token back on a particular queue. No multi-access needed here. I
wrote the queues manually, but I probably would have used a protected
container if one was available.

So, the net effect is that YMMV: every application is different, and they
have different needs. One size never fits all. At best, we can fit most.

                              Randy.





  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-09 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-06  2:20 GNAT for MS Visual Studio William J Thomas
2007-09-06  7:44 ` anon
2007-09-06  8:49   ` Rob Veenker
2007-09-06 11:12     ` William J Thomas
2007-09-11  3:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-09-20  0:00 ` William J Thomas
2007-09-21  0:46   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-21  3:27     ` William J Thomas
2007-09-21 17:31       ` Markus E L
2007-09-21 18:13       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-22  1:42         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-22  1:59       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-22  5:19         ` Simon Wright
2007-09-22 14:42         ` Steve
2007-09-24  8:14           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-25  1:44             ` Steve
2007-09-25  6:41               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-25  8:29               ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 18:00                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-09-25 18:31                   ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 11:20               ` Markus E L
2007-09-26  2:23                 ` Steve
2007-09-26 12:21                   ` Markus E L
2007-09-28  0:49                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-28  2:43                     ` Steve
2007-09-28  9:36                       ` Markus E L
2007-09-29 15:59                         ` Michael Bode
2007-09-29 16:50                           ` Markus E L
2007-09-26  6:58                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2007-09-26 13:35                   ` Steve
2007-09-26 14:06                     ` Markus E L
2007-09-27 18:26                       ` Michael Bode
2007-09-27 20:18                         ` Markus E L
2007-09-28  6:45                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-29  9:18                           ` michael bode
2007-09-28  2:29                       ` Steve
2007-09-28  9:23                         ` Markus E L
2007-09-30 14:50                           ` Steve
2007-10-02  3:50                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-02 11:06                               ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-10-02 20:38                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-02 20:45                                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-03 19:23                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-03 19:40                                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-03 20:08                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-04 20:18                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-04 20:21                                           ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-05 13:25                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-06 10:50                                               ` concurrent access to containers (was: GNAT for MS Visual Studio) Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-05 20:15                                         ` GNAT for MS Visual Studio Simon Wright
2007-10-06 14:47                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2007-10-06 15:03                                         ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-06 16:03                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 17:07                                             ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-06 18:30                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 20:32                                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-07  7:35                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-07 21:30                                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08  7:50                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 10:32                                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 13:39                                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 15:10                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 20:40                                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-09  8:32                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 16:17                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2007-10-07  3:19                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-07  7:21                                             ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-07  7:49                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-07 16:41                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-07 17:44                                               ` Simon Wright
2007-10-08  9:52                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 10:42                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 10:59                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 11:07                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 18:44                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-08 15:21                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 18:28                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-07 21:48                                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-07 22:27                                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-10-08 21:10                                                   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-09  1:53                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-09 21:01                                                 ` Simon Wright
2007-10-09 22:48                                                   ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2007-10-10  0:21                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-10-10  4:57                                                   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-10  7:46                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-03  5:20                                 ` Licensing again (was Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio) Simon Wright
2007-10-03  2:03                               ` GNAT for MS Visual Studio Steve
2007-09-28 14:48                         ` Ed Falis
2007-09-29  2:32                           ` Steve
2007-09-29  6:53                             ` Vadim Godunko
2007-09-26 14:08                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-25  2:39             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:40               ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 11:28               ` Markus E L
2007-09-26 10:19               ` Pascal Obry
2007-09-26 13:00                 ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25  2:32           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:27             ` Stephen Leake
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-12 22:03 Anatoly Chernyshev
2007-10-13 20:25 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-14 10:37   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-14 11:26     ` Markus E L
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