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From: Hyman Rosen <hyman.rosen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What's wrong with C++?
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:09:06 -0800 (PST)
Date: 2011-02-17T10:09:06-08:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f85ba93d-38ed-47e5-bc79-37bde7818134@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d5d5f0d$0$6769$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net>

On 2/17/2011 12:46 PM, Georg Bauhaus wrote:
> Can I have
>     auto iterator i = ...;
> too, assuming iterator denotes a common iterator type?
> This will allow me to know what type i is without having
> to do the inference myself!

No, but you can say
     auto map_iterator = my_map.find("x");
so your variable names will guide your understanding.
You do that in Ada anyway, since the variable can be
used far away from its declaration.

> Ada.Containers' Cursor doesn't have a centrally
> declared interface, just like iterator; some have filed
> complaints about this.  Why is it that, seemingly, everybody
> in the compiler makers guild is so fond of omissions boiling
> down to obfuscation or bragging about inferential skills?
> Programming is neither selling small print nor omissions.
> Or, wait!  Is it?

C++ is very susceptible to horrible runaway type names because
it does have automatic instantiation of templates, and especially
in the presence of template metaprogramming. Without automatic
instantiation and partial specialization, Ada has rather less need
for this. (Which does not mean C++ is bad, just different.)

In C++, expression templates can be used to build up parse trees
from expressions rather than having them be evaluated, and the
type of such an expression is a nested cascaded monstrosity that
is essentially impossible for a human to write correctly. Such
results can be held by a pointer or reference to a base class,
but the compiler can just infer the right type without need for
that.



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Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-16 17:37 What's wrong with C++? KK6GM
2011-02-16 17:58 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-16 18:18   ` KK6GM
2011-02-16 20:25     ` Chris Moore
2011-02-20  4:47       ` Chuck
2011-02-20  4:45     ` Chuck
2011-02-16 19:35   ` Robert A Duff
2011-02-16 20:32     ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-16 23:31     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-16 20:03   ` Fritz Wuehler
2011-02-16 20:09     ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 17:39     ` Paul Colin Gloster
2011-03-01 15:52       ` Martin Krischik
2011-02-16 23:27   ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-02-16 18:32 ` Pascal Obry
2011-02-16 19:09   ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-16 19:36     ` KK6GM
2011-02-16 20:07       ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 18:48         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-17 18:53           ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-17 19:14             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-17 19:38             ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 19:55               ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-17 20:11                 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 20:51                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-17 21:03                     ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 21:32                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-17 21:45                         ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 21:07                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-02-17 20:32               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-17 20:37                 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 22:54               ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-17 23:02                 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 23:03                 ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 23:17                   ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-17 23:27                     ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-18  6:56                       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-18 19:58                       ` Edward Fish
2011-02-18 20:04                         ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-18 20:10                           ` Edward Fish
2011-02-18 20:27                             ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-18 22:00                               ` Edward Fish
2011-02-17 19:34           ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-16 20:49   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-02-16 21:12     ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-16 23:07       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-16 23:23         ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 20:51         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-17 20:57           ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-16 23:35       ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-02-17  3:35         ` Shark8
2011-02-17 20:54           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-17 22:19             ` Shark8
2011-02-17 11:04         ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-17 11:52           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-17 14:30             ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-17 16:29               ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 17:32                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-02-18  6:54                   ` Chuck
2011-02-17 21:04                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  7:02                   ` Chuck
2011-02-17 22:50                 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-17 23:00                   ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 23:08                     ` J-P. Rosen
2011-02-19 15:24                     ` Marco
2011-02-19 16:39                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2011-02-19 19:51                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-02-19 22:36                           ` Anonymous
2011-02-19 22:45                             ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-02-20  0:55                               ` Nomen Nescio
2011-02-20  1:51                                 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-02-20  9:49                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-02-18  7:07                   ` Chuck
2011-02-17 21:00             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-17 22:55               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-18  3:09                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  9:37                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-18 11:34             ` richard
2011-02-18 11:56               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-18 13:26                 ` richard
2011-02-18 14:15                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-17 20:58           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  7:11             ` Chuck
2011-02-18 17:17               ` Paul Colin Gloster
2011-02-20  4:35                 ` Chuck
2011-02-18  7:16         ` Chuck
2011-02-18  7:27         ` Chuck
2011-02-18  7:28         ` Chuck
2011-02-17  3:41 ` Mike Sieweke
2011-02-17 13:31   ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-02-18  5:15     ` Mike Sieweke
2011-02-18  6:41       ` Chuck
2011-02-18  6:39     ` Chuck
2011-02-17 15:30   ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 17:31     ` Martin
2011-02-17 19:12     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-17 18:51   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  6:45     ` Chuck
2011-02-18  6:38   ` Chuck
2011-02-17  8:31 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-17  9:02   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-17 13:38     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-02-17 16:12       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-17 16:25         ` Hyman Rosen
2011-02-17 17:46           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-17 18:09             ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2011-02-18  5:59               ` Chuck
2011-02-17 18:22           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-18  6:23           ` Chuck
2011-02-17 17:27         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-02-17 18:46           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-18  6:15           ` Chuck
2011-02-18 13:37             ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-02-20  4:33               ` Chuck
2011-02-17 19:29         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  9:17           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-17 19:34         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  9:41           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-02-17 19:25       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  6:20       ` Chuck
2011-02-17 19:19     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-17 20:50       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-17 21:08         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  0:13           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-02-18  6:12         ` Chuck
2011-02-18  7:47           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-18  6:07     ` Chuck
2011-02-18 17:38       ` Paul Colin Gloster
2011-02-17 11:51 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-02-17 20:47   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-02-20  4:41 ` Chuck
2011-02-20 10:28   ` Brian Drummond
2011-02-20 14:48   ` Britt Snodgrass
2011-10-04 20:51 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-04 21:00   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-05  1:53     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-10-05  2:13       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-05  4:48         ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-10-05  6:21           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-05  6:39             ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-10-05  5:13         ` Niklas Holsti
2011-10-05  6:33           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-05  6:45             ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-10-08  1:36             ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-08  8:39               ` Niklas Holsti
2011-10-08 23:11               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-06 13:19         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-10-06 14:01           ` Hyman Rosen
2011-10-08  1:24       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-08 13:14         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-10-08 17:49           ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-10-08 23:55           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-10 13:31             ` Paul Colin Gloster
2011-10-11  7:45               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-11  9:40                 ` SPARK and other provers (Was: Re: What's wrong with C++?) Phil Thornley
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