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From: "Kent Paul Dolan" <xanthian@well.com>
Subject: SLOC-wars
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:14:09 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2002-04-05T05:14:09+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f6a580bb517ec9eced2eaa01cf9c9525.48257@mygate.mailgate.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.1017939422.18187.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org

"M�rio Amado Alves" <maa@liacc.up.pt> wrote:

> You're both right. I also did a study correlating program text metrics
> and actual development cost in programmers*month. SLOC had the best
> results, notably beating Halstead. It was a small project (10k SLOCs if
> I remember correctly), but it was unbiased i.e. the programmers didn't
> know about the metrics in advance.


Well, but SLOC is predicting by hindsight, and it has been fairly well
known since the 1960's that individual programmer's code output is
fairly constant when measured in keystrokes, so that about as many lines
per day of assembly as of APL can be delivered fully burdened.

Thus, one would expect that SLOC or something like it  fairly equivalent
to keystrokes would be the best hindsight predictor of
technologist-months of effort involved in completing a project or a
component.

But I thought (with no expertise here) that the goal of stuff like
Halstead's metric was that you could estimate it at specification time,
and do foresight forecasting with that estimate.  I'd shudder to think
what the accuracy of foresight guesses at SLOC from similar projects
might accomplish in setting milestone dates and such.

Thus, in comparing a tool useful primarily for hindsight forecasting to
the detriment of one also useful for foresight forecasting, aren't you
doing the apples versus oranges thing?

xanthian.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-05  5:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-28 11:10 AdaGames Enrico A.
2002-03-28 12:29 ` AdaGames Erik Sigra
2002-03-28 14:30   ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-03-28 16:47     ` AdaGames Erik Sigra
2002-03-28 17:55       ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-03-28 18:48         ` AdaGames Erik Sigra
2002-03-28 19:13           ` AdaGames Stephen Leake
2002-03-28 21:58           ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-03-29  7:10           ` AdaGames Bobby D. Bryant
2002-03-29 20:25             ` AdaGames Erik Sigra
2002-03-28 16:00   ` AdaGames chris.danx
2002-03-28 16:27     ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-03-28 20:49       ` AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-28 22:02         ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-04-02 23:11           ` AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-28 18:11     ` AdaGames chris.danx
2002-03-28 19:21   ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-03-29  7:20     ` AdaGames Bobby D. Bryant
2002-03-29 14:28       ` AdaGames Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 14:51       ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-03-28 20:39   ` AdaGames (SDL) Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-28 15:07 ` AdaGames Marin David Condic
2002-03-29  2:14   ` AdaGames Darren New
2002-03-29 14:15     ` AdaGames Marin David Condic
2002-03-30  1:43       ` AdaGames Darren New
2002-04-01 14:23         ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-04-01 16:57           ` AdaGames Darren New
2002-04-01 22:18             ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-04-01 22:42               ` AdaGames Darren New
2002-03-28 15:13 ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-03-29  7:24   ` AdaGames Bobby D. Bryant
2002-03-28 20:55 ` AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-28 22:47   ` AdaGames Randy Brukardt
2002-03-29 14:53     ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-04-02  2:05       ` AdaGames Randy Brukardt
2002-03-29 15:08     ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-03-28 20:59 ` Nethack! (was): AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-29 14:13   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-01  8:01     ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-01 15:04       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-02  9:27         ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-02 14:54           ` Preben Randhol
2002-04-03  6:43             ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-02 18:30           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03  7:02             ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-03 15:06               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03 15:31                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04  4:40                   ` tmoran
2002-04-04  6:14                     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-04 14:16                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04  6:10                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-04 14:26                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04  6:56                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-04 16:46                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-05  7:37                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-03  9:44             ` Preben Randhol
2002-04-03 15:50               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03 16:14                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:09                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-04 16:48                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:57                     ` Mário Amado Alves
2002-04-04 18:07                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-05  5:14                       ` Kent Paul Dolan [this message]
2002-04-05  8:36                         ` SLOC-wars Bobby D. Bryant
2002-04-05 14:37                           ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-08 13:35                             ` SLOC-wars Ted Dennison
2002-04-08 14:12                               ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-09 14:15                                 ` SLOC-wars Wes Groleau
2002-04-05 14:25                         ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-07 19:07                           ` SLOC-wars John R. Strohm
2002-04-08 14:59                           ` SLOC-wars Wes Groleau
2002-04-08 15:13                             ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-05 22:51                         ` SLOC-wars John R. Strohm
2002-04-06 22:19                           ` SLOC-wars Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-06 23:17                             ` SLOC-wars Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-08 14:35                               ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-09 15:04                                 ` SLOC-wars Wes Groleau
2002-04-10 13:39                                 ` SLOC-wars Ted Dennison
2002-04-10 14:54                                   ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-07 18:58                             ` SLOC-wars John R. Strohm
2002-04-08 15:06                           ` SLOC-wars Wes Groleau
2002-04-05 14:43                     ` Nethack! (was): AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-04-05 14:51                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-05 20:41                       ` Metrics! (was) " Wes Groleau
2002-04-06 22:11                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-08 13:29                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03 17:09                 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2002-04-04 14:19                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03 17:17                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-04-04 16:19                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-04-04 16:47                   ` SLOC! (was Nethack! (was): AdaGames) Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 18:05       ` Nethack! (was): AdaGames Ralph Moeritz
2002-04-02  9:29         ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-03-29  1:52 ` AdaGames Adrian Hoe
2002-03-29  7:29 ` AdaGames Bobby D. Bryant
2002-04-02 23:43   ` Nethack (again)!: AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-29 18:40 ` AdaGames Pascal Obry
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