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From: Maciej Sobczak <no.spam@no.spam.com>
Subject: Re: Rational for not making cursor tagged in Containers
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:26:08 +0200
Date: 2007-04-20T11:26:08+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f0a0vi$7ii$1@cernne03.cern.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ixi961jqu0qx.1dtcursmkem45$.dlg@40tude.net>

Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:

> A confusion is in assumption that some arguments of an operation are more
> arguments than others.

There is some rationale for this, however.
With the traditionally abstract OO, operations are executed as a result 
of messages that are sent to objects. Now that indeed gives some objects 
more focus than others.

This:

a.op(b);

means (supposedly) that "op" message is sent to object "a" and the 
payload of the message is "b".

I agree that it introduces some asymetry that is not necessarily needed.
I mean - the above abstraction is not necessarily the best one, but 
serves me well as an explanation of the a.op(b) issue.

> Another is that primitive operations belong to the
> object (instance).

No, but it makes sense to think that they belong to the type of some object.

> The third confusion raises from incompatibility of the
> prefix notation with multi-methods and multiple dispatching operations.

True. But then, the above messaging abstractions needs to be extended to 
cover "multicasts". :-)

>> Other
>> advantage of prefix notation is that I do not have to fully qualify
>> nor apply use clause.
> 
> When there is something wrong with use-clauses *that* should be fixed.

I agree that the lack of ADL (Argument-Dependent Lookup) in Ada sucks.

-- 
Maciej Sobczak : http://www.msobczak.com/
Programming    : http://www.msobczak.com/prog/



  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-20  9:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-19 16:05 Rational for not making cursor tagged in Containers Anh Vo
2007-04-19 18:25 ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-19 19:28   ` Anh Vo
2007-04-19 20:45     ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-19 21:43       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-19 23:59         ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-20  7:54           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-20 10:56             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-20 10:39               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-20 14:42                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-20 14:45                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-20 15:13                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-20 19:37                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-20 19:32                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-20 20:59                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-20 22:14                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-23 17:38                             ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-23 19:18                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-24  0:15                                 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-24 10:43                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-24 16:27                                     ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-24 20:19                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-26  0:58                                         ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-26  7:50                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-26  8:09                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-27  8:46                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-27 11:37                                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-28 17:35                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-29  2:31                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-29  8:45                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-27 20:44                                               ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-26  8:33                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-26 11:09                                               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-20 19:55                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-22  9:54                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-22 11:19                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-20 20:44                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-21  5:38                         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-22  1:14                           ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-22  4:08                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-20 20:11                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-20 21:28                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-21  5:33                         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-21  9:39                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-22  4:28                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-22  8:38                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-23 23:26                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-24 10:43                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-24  8:58                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-24 12:21                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-21  4:48                       ` unifying arrays and records (was Re: Rational for not making cursor tagged in Containers) Ray Blaak
2007-04-20 17:05             ` Rational for not making cursor tagged in Containers Ray Blaak
2007-04-20 18:46               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-20 18:52                 ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-20 19:54                   ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-20  1:18         ` Anh Vo
2007-04-20  7:53           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-20  9:26             ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2007-04-20 10:15               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-20 11:59           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-20 13:23             ` Anh Vo
2007-04-20 16:02               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-21  2:53                 ` Anh Vo
2007-04-20  3:03   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-20  2:53 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-20 16:08   ` Anh Vo
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