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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: accuracy
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:03:41 -0600
Date: 2007-03-10T21:03:41-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <esvrg1$1ub$1@jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: r5rrsmngabou$.nc73hmyyugax.dlg@40tude.net

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
news:r5rrsmngabou$.nc73hmyyugax.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:39:30 -0600, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>
> > "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
> > news:p87mtsns4of0.hhld0y03415s.dlg@40tude.net...
> > ...
> >> As for GetThreadTimes, its absolute precision is 1ms.
> >
> > No, it is 10ms. The interface offers more precision than is actually
> > provided.
>
> You can force it to 1ms using
>
>    timeBeginPeriod (1);

That's documented as applying to "Multimedia timers", whatever those are. I
wouldn't want to assume it would work on thread times and the like which
have nothing to do with multimedia. Besides, why wouldn't the maximum
accuracy alway be used if it is possible? What possible value is there in
using a less accurate time (given that you still have to do the math on
every switch no matter what the accuracy is involved)??

> This what any tasking Ada program should not forget do, when it starts
> under Windows. I hope that GNAT RTL does this...

Why? Ada.Real_Time is built on top of the performance counters, so is all of
your tasking programs.

> (I am too lazy to check it, but probably XP already has 1ms as the
default)

I don't think so, I tried my profiling code there, too, and didn't get any
more accuracy.

...
> > It's theoretically possible for a thread to run in sync so that it never
> > gets a tick, but I've never seen (or heard of) an instance of that
happening
> > in a real program being profiled. On a real DOS or Windows system, there
is
> > too much asynchronous going on for any "lock-step" to continue for long.
>
> Which theoretical case hit me. We performed a QoS studio of our
distributed
> middleware and wished to measure the time its services require for
> publishing and subscribing, separately from delivery times. To our
> amazement times of some services were solid 0, no matter how long and how
> many cycles we run the test! I started to investigate and discovered that
> mess.

Humm, I find that nearly impossible to believe. I'd expect some other cause
(*any* other cause) before I believed that. (Outside of device drivers,
anyway, which would be a lousy place to use this sort of timing.) I guess
I'd have to see a detailed example of that for myself before I believed it.

                                                   Randy.





  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-11  3:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-29 11:57 Does Ada tasking profit from multi-core cpus? Gerd
2007-01-29 12:04 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-30 13:55   ` Gerd
2007-02-09 10:18     ` karl
2007-02-09 11:03       ` Stefan Lucks
2007-02-09 11:35         ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-03-04 17:54 `   jpluto
2007-03-05 10:08   ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-03-05 13:12     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-06  5:33       ` tmoran
2007-03-06  8:44         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-07  7:52           ` tmoran
2007-03-07  9:31           ` tmoran
2007-03-06  9:40         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-03-06 12:47           ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-03-06 14:44           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-06 16:53         ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2007-03-06 18:58           ` tmoran
2007-03-07 10:11             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-03-07 18:47               ` tmoran
2007-03-06 18:51         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-03-16 14:29           ` Arguments for single-mutex-exclusion on protected types (Was: Does Ada tasking profit from multi-core cpus?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-17  5:26             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-03-17 17:22               ` Robert A Duff
2007-03-17 17:52                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-03-17 23:06                 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-03-18 17:57                   ` Robert A Duff
2007-03-19 21:49                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-03-20  0:55                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-03-20  1:36                         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-03-20 16:32                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-03-20 17:51                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-03-21  0:10                               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-03-26 23:38                               ` Robert A Duff
2007-03-26 23:24                           ` Robert A Duff
2007-03-17 10:25             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-18 17:15               ` Arguments for single-mutex-exclusion on protected types Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-18 18:50                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-20 12:38                 ` Florian Weimer
2007-03-07  3:58       ` Does Ada tasking profit from multi-core cpus? Steve
2007-03-07  8:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-08  5:21           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-03-08 10:15             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-08 21:18               ` accuracy (was: Does Ada tasking profit from multi-core cpus?) Björn Persson
2007-03-09  8:33                 ` accuracy Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-10  1:39                   ` accuracy Randy Brukardt
2007-03-10  9:11                     ` accuracy Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-11  3:03                       ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2007-03-11  5:21                         ` accuracy tmoran
2007-03-11  8:52                         ` accuracy Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-11 13:57                           ` accuracy Pascal Obry
2007-03-11 14:16                             ` accuracy Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-11 14:37                               ` accuracy Pascal Obry
2007-03-11 15:50                                 ` accuracy Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-11 17:38                                   ` accuracy Pascal Obry
2007-03-11 18:48                                     ` accuracy Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-12 20:20                           ` accuracy Randy Brukardt
2007-03-13  9:33                             ` accuracy Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-10 14:53                     ` accuracy Stephen Leake
2007-03-10 18:36                       ` accuracy Cesar Rabak
2007-03-05 18:46   ` Does Ada tasking profit from multi-core cpus? Jeffrey R. Carter
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