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From: Cesar Rabak <csrabak@yahoo.com.br>
Subject: Re: Translating an embedded C algorithm
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:04:29 -0200
Date: 2007-01-16T16:04:29-02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eoj3va$8gl$1@aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 

Jeffrey Carter escreveu:
> Cesar Rabak wrote:
>>
>> And why cannot C be augmented by RTOSs and other systems software to 
>> achieve this?
> 
> It can. You can also write everything in assembler. Both are very error 
> prone. Neither is very portable.
> 

Yes. When building embedded systems, is it very rare that 'portability' 
be on the top of any requirements list.

In fact, here (to my own dismay) Ada is in the opposite side: it is very 
hard to find Ada development tools for a lot of popular microcontrollers�.

Our message could have promoted Ada as a better way of developing such 
systems and emphasizing the advantages of it.

>> Instead of taking profit of an opportunity you rather just spit a bit 
>> of arrogance?
> 
> Let's see ... It's not arrogant to write a book on RT embedded SW 
> development when one is ignorant of basic tools for the task, but it is 
> arrogant to point it out? Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Two mistakes don't make a good result!

To our chagrin (Ada professionals) a lot of "RT embedded SW" is made 
with those less than safe (and incomplete tools) but we have to accept 
this and see better ways of sending our message out.

The arrogance I felt in your repply stems of an interpetration that 
anyone not having knowledge of Ada should not dare to write a book about 
on RT embedded SW, which besides being prejudicial is non sense.

A lot of people could bring to this thread a lot of counter examples of 
systems built in Ada which have been plagued by errors (some of IMNSHO 
could have been avoided by better use of Ada technology and practices it 
facilitates).

regards,

--
Cesar Rabak

[1] I sent a private e-mail to OP asking what chips he intends to use in 
the examples but still did receive any repply. Depending upon the 
technology mentioning Ada would be somewhat pointless.



  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-16 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-15 14:36 Translating an embedded C algorithm Talulah
2007-01-16  0:06 ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-16  1:10   ` Marc A. Criley
2007-01-16  2:21   ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16 10:40     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-16 14:48       ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-01-16 17:32     ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-16 18:04       ` Cesar Rabak [this message]
2007-01-17  0:09         ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-17  1:07           ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16  4:37   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2007-01-16 13:37     ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16 23:47     ` Simon Wright
2007-01-17  1:02       ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16  3:50 ` Vo, Anh (US SSA)
2007-01-16 12:15   ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-16 23:50     ` Simon Wright
2007-01-18 16:17     ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-18 16:41       ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-01-18 20:02         ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-18 22:25         ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19  8:32           ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-19 19:15             ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19 20:49             ` Simon Wright
2007-01-18 16:55       ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-18 18:54         ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-19  0:45           ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-18 21:25         ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-19  0:50           ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-19  4:43           ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-18 18:43       ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-18 20:19         ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-18 20:30       ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-18 23:34       ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19  8:57         ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-19  2:11       ` Steve Whalen
2007-01-19 10:27         ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-16 13:32   ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16 14:47   ` Gautier
2007-01-16 15:15     ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16 15:16     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-01-16 16:12       ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-01-16 17:10         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-16 22:32           ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-01-17 20:22             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-18  9:23               ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-01-16 17:12         ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16 17:20           ` Frank J. Lhota
2007-01-16 18:09             ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16 17:36           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-16 18:08             ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-16 18:48               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-16 20:03                 ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-18 19:33                   ` Björn Persson
2007-01-18 22:32                     ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19 20:26                       ` Björn Persson
2007-01-19 23:25                         ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19  7:15                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-19 20:27                       ` Björn Persson
2007-01-19 20:34                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-17 13:48           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-17 23:32             ` Translating an embedded C algorithm -- OT Cesar Rabak
2007-01-18  8:56               ` Talulah
2007-01-18 22:05                 ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-18  9:03               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-18 10:22                 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2007-01-18 18:34                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-18 22:26                   ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19  4:45                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-18 22:18                 ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19 20:53                   ` Simon Wright
2007-01-16 15:55   ` Translating an embedded C algorithm Cesar Rabak
2007-01-17  3:00     ` Vo, Anh (US SSA)
2007-01-17 10:48       ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-17 11:44       ` Niklas Holsti
2007-01-17 13:31         ` Talulah
2007-01-17 19:20           ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-18 14:19             ` Talulah
2007-01-18 15:28               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-01-18 23:27                 ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-18 18:51               ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-18 22:30                 ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19  4:48                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-19 19:13                     ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-20 20:56                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-19  2:21                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2007-01-19  3:25                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-01-20  0:46                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2007-01-20 13:03                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-01-20 16:54                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2007-01-20 23:53                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-01-20 21:02                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-25 21:59                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-26  4:06                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-01-26 11:26                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-26 12:25                           ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19  4:52                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-19 10:13                   ` Warner BRUNS
2007-01-19 14:54                   ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-19  4:08 ` Steve
2007-01-19 20:41   ` Simon Wright
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-17  7:07 AW: " Grein, Christoph (Fa. ESG)
2007-01-17 10:26 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-01-17 16:44   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-18  8:49     ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-01-19  9:33       ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-19 19:23         ` Cesar Rabak
2007-01-19 20:27           ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-20  9:54             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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