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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: terminate applications
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:45:21 +0200
Date: 2003-07-24T09:45:21+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ek2vhv4qcbtj4hspi2c0lojbtsh1baldql@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: YUGTa.22178$0F4.4025@nwrdny02.gnilink.net

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:47:36 GMT, Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
wrote:

>Randy Brukardt wrote:
>> Finalization is the key to building maintainable abstractions, and we simply
>> cannot allow cases in which that finalization does not happen.
>
>But that's not really under your control. In Windows or UNIX, there are
>ways to immediately kill a program from the outside, regardless of what
>the program would prefer.

[Yes, that small button, called "Reset" on the front panel!]

If you don't believe Randy, then here is a quote from MSDN regarding
TerminateProcess:

[QUOTE START]
... The TerminateProcess function is used to unconditionally cause a
process to exit. Use it only in extreme circumstances. The state of
global data maintained by dynamic-link libraries (DLLs) may be
compromised if TerminateProcess is used rather than ExitProcess.
...
DLLs attached to the process are not notified that the process is
terminating.

Terminating a process does not generate notifications for WH_CBT hook
procedures.
[QUOTE END]

Read the above carefully, and you will understand, why one should
never ever do such a thing under Windows.

> And these services are available to a program
>that wishes to invoke them, even on itself. So you don't gain anything
>by making believe that such a thing does not exist, and you get in the
>way of the programmer who has a perfectly good reason for wanting to do
>it.

Probably the programmer has not done his homework. In a properly
designed system there is no need in things like that. Even less Ada
standard should encourage them.

---
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-07-24  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-18  9:36 terminate applications christoph.grein
2003-07-18 10:54 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-07-18 11:51   ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-18 13:26     ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-18 15:18     ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-07-19 15:44       ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-20  2:03         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-20 11:04           ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-20 17:53             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-21 12:02               ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-21 20:31                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 12:11                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 12:26                     ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-07-22 12:36                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 13:23                         ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-07-22 23:23                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 23:46                             ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-07-23 12:22                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-23 22:17                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-24  1:47                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24  3:36                                     ` tmoran
2003-07-24  3:44                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24  8:02                                         ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-07-24 19:54                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-24  7:45                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2003-07-24 14:54                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-24 15:46                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-26  2:58                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-28  8:17                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-28 21:08                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-29 10:42                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-29 13:47                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 17:04                                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-24 12:01                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-24 20:12                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-24 23:11                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 12:52                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-26  3:28                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-24 11:51                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-24 20:32                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-26  3:16                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-26 13:16                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-26 15:23                                           ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-26 15:48                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-27 11:36                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-26 19:52                                           ` rleif
2003-07-26 13:01                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-24 14:46                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-24 18:50                                     ` tmoran
2003-07-26 13:21                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-23  4:02                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 12:28                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-24 16:06                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 13:33                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-26 17:27                         ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307221518190.26977-10000Organization: LJK Software <etldVqgp8sE1@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-07-26 20:18                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-26 20:24                         ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307221518190.26977-10000Organization: LJK Software <$TwrUBtoh25l@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-07-26 15:07                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-27 11:43                           ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307221518190.26977-10000Organization: LJK Software <q5jLYypXp6Yg@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-07-27 21:52                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-28  2:45                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-01 17:00                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-01 17:56                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-01 18:17                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-01 18:48                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-22 12:59                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-07-22  5:16                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-22 12:02                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 14:45                     ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-23  1:08 ` Dave Thompson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-07-17 10:39 Riccardo
2003-07-17 19:54 ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-17 20:55   ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-07-17 22:44     ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-18  3:55 ` sk
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