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* ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
@ 2006-09-15 15:36 Tom Grosman
  2006-09-15 15:44 ` Tom Grosman
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Tom Grosman @ 2006-09-15 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)


Aonix is pleased to announce the release of AonixADT 3.11, the first 
publicly available version of our commercial quality Ada Development Toolkit 
for Eclipse.



AonixADT is a freely available plugin for Ada language development in 
Eclipse.  In addition to supporting standard Eclipse functionality and 
views, AonixADT also provides:



Support for Multiple Ada Compilers and Tools

    * ObjectAda toolchain support

    * GNAT toolchain support



Ada Project Navigator

    * Ada-specific navigation of project files and folders with expansion of 
files to show internal constructs (variables, subprograms, types, etc.)

    * Navigation to and from source code in the Ada Editor.



Ada 95 Colorizing Editor

    * Customizable colorization of Ada source code

    * Editor support for configurable code indentation while new code is 
written.

    * Automatic parenthesis matching, block matching, etc.

    * Semantic, project-wide navigation of Ada objects (variables, units, 
etc.) from editor including opening of the spec and body declaration and 
searching for references.

    * Syntactic and Semantic Code Assist for Ada constructs as well as 
application objects such as variables, packages, procedures, functions, 
types, exceptions, and tasks.



Build Automation

    * Automatic, incremental builds of projects.



Configuration File

    * Storage of all project build properties in ASCII text files which can 
be put under CM control along with source files.



Navigation to Compilation Errors

    * Build errors are displayed in Problems view with navigation to errors 
in source code.



Navigation to ARM

    * Build errors allow easy navigation to relevant section of hypertext 
Ada 95 Reference Manual for ObjectAda.



Pretty Printing

    * Whole file source code reformatting to match project-customizable 
preferred format.

    * Support for gnatpp pretty printer.



Multiple Partitions

    * Support projects that contain software for more than one partition. 
This means the ability to build more than one executable in one project 
space.



Eclipse Wizards

    * Ada Project Wizards

    * File, Package, Procedure, Function creation wizards.



Compatibility with Other Languages

    * Support for multi-language projects using CDT and other Eclipse 
plugins.



Configurable Toolchains

    * Support for configuration of multiple Ada toolchains.



Multi-language Graphical Debugger

    * Support for configuring and debugging of executables and attaching to 
already running processes.





AonixADT v311 is available at http://www.aonix.com/adt.html.





Aonix is an Add-in Provider Member of the Eclipse Foundation.







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* Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-09-15 15:36 ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11 Tom Grosman
@ 2006-09-15 15:44 ` Tom Grosman
  2006-10-08 15:48   ` cl1
  2006-10-07  7:19 ` adaworks
  2006-10-30 17:19 ` [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT Tom Grosman
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Tom Grosman @ 2006-09-15 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw)


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"Tom Grosman" <grosman@aonix.fr> a �crit dans le message de news: 
eeehdb$i1g$1@s1.news.oleane.net...
> Aonix is pleased to announce the release of AonixADT 3.11, the first 
> publicly available version of our commercial quality Ada Development 
> Toolkit for Eclipse.

Our website currently has AonixADTv311 for Windows 2000 and XP, with Linux 
and Solaris versions to be made available shortly.

ObjectAda 8.2+ as well as various flavors/versions of GNAT are supported.

The Quickstart guide available in pdf from the ADT download page will should 
give you a good idea of the functionality and look and feel of ADT.

-Tom 





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* Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-09-15 15:36 ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11 Tom Grosman
  2006-09-15 15:44 ` Tom Grosman
@ 2006-10-07  7:19 ` adaworks
  2006-10-07 12:38   ` Jeffrey Creem
  2006-10-30 17:19 ` [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT Tom Grosman
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: adaworks @ 2006-10-07  7:19 UTC (permalink / raw)


This announcement is good news.

We seldom hear from Aonix anymore.  For that matter, we don't
see information from many other Ada compiler publishers.  It would
be nice to get more announcements of this kind in this forum so we
would know who is still supporting Ada.

Where is DDC-I?  OC Systems?  ICC?  Any other Ada compiler
publishers?   Ada tool publishers?    Is Rational still in the business
of providing Ada compilers and tools now that they are
captives of IBM?

Richard Riehle

======================================================
"Tom Grosman" <grosman@aonix.fr> wrote in message 
news:eeehdb$i1g$1@s1.news.oleane.net...
> Aonix is pleased to announce the release of AonixADT 3.11, the first publicly 
> available version of our commercial quality Ada Development Toolkit for 
> Eclipse.
>
>
>
> AonixADT is a freely available plugin for Ada language development in Eclipse. 
> In addition to supporting standard Eclipse functionality and views, AonixADT 
> also provides:
>
>
>
> Support for Multiple Ada Compilers and Tools
>
>    * ObjectAda toolchain support
>
>    * GNAT toolchain support
>
>
>
> Ada Project Navigator
>
>    * Ada-specific navigation of project files and folders with expansion of 
> files to show internal constructs (variables, subprograms, types, etc.)
>
>    * Navigation to and from source code in the Ada Editor.
>
>
>
> Ada 95 Colorizing Editor
>
>    * Customizable colorization of Ada source code
>
>    * Editor support for configurable code indentation while new code is 
> written.
>
>    * Automatic parenthesis matching, block matching, etc.
>
>    * Semantic, project-wide navigation of Ada objects (variables, units, etc.) 
> from editor including opening of the spec and body declaration and searching 
> for references.
>
>    * Syntactic and Semantic Code Assist for Ada constructs as well as 
> application objects such as variables, packages, procedures, functions, types, 
> exceptions, and tasks.
>
>
>
> Build Automation
>
>    * Automatic, incremental builds of projects.
>
>
>
> Configuration File
>
>    * Storage of all project build properties in ASCII text files which can be 
> put under CM control along with source files.
>
>
>
> Navigation to Compilation Errors
>
>    * Build errors are displayed in Problems view with navigation to errors in 
> source code.
>
>
>
> Navigation to ARM
>
>    * Build errors allow easy navigation to relevant section of hypertext Ada 
> 95 Reference Manual for ObjectAda.
>
>
>
> Pretty Printing
>
>    * Whole file source code reformatting to match project-customizable 
> preferred format.
>
>    * Support for gnatpp pretty printer.
>
>
>
> Multiple Partitions
>
>    * Support projects that contain software for more than one partition. This 
> means the ability to build more than one executable in one project space.
>
>
>
> Eclipse Wizards
>
>    * Ada Project Wizards
>
>    * File, Package, Procedure, Function creation wizards.
>
>
>
> Compatibility with Other Languages
>
>    * Support for multi-language projects using CDT and other Eclipse plugins.
>
>
>
> Configurable Toolchains
>
>    * Support for configuration of multiple Ada toolchains.
>
>
>
> Multi-language Graphical Debugger
>
>    * Support for configuring and debugging of executables and attaching to 
> already running processes.
>
>
>
>
>
> AonixADT v311 is available at http://www.aonix.com/adt.html.
>
>
>
>
>
> Aonix is an Add-in Provider Member of the Eclipse Foundation.
>
>
>
>
> 





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* Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-10-07  7:19 ` adaworks
@ 2006-10-07 12:38   ` Jeffrey Creem
  2006-10-15 17:27     ` Ada vendors - " Marco
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-10-07 12:38 UTC (permalink / raw)


adaworks@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> This announcement is good news.
> 
> We seldom hear from Aonix anymore.  For that matter, we don't
> see information from many other Ada compiler publishers.  It would
> be nice to get more announcements of this kind in this forum so we
> would know who is still supporting Ada.
> 
> Where is DDC-I?  OC Systems?  ICC?  Any other Ada compiler
> publishers?   Ada tool publishers?    Is Rational still in the business
> of providing Ada compilers and tools now that they are
> captives of IBM?
> 
> Richard Riehle
> 

I am starting to think that only us old timers even know about Usenet 
anymore.

DDC-I came out with an Eclipse environment months ago. Nothing posted.

Greenhills still has no Ada Eclipse but continues to update their Ada 
offerings (though their 2005 plans still seem in doubt). Though they 
tend to be aggressive in sales you never see a new product announcement 
here.

Rational/IBM seems to have the problem that they are so big one can 
never be sure if they sell any tool anymore (not just Ada) since stuff 
is so bogged down in the "software is a service/craft you a solution" 
mentality.

Of course it could be that the vendors got tired of getting yelled at 
for commercial postings on Usenet.  We are a hard group of people to please.




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* Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-09-15 15:44 ` Tom Grosman
@ 2006-10-08 15:48   ` cl1
  2006-10-09  9:49     ` Georg Bauhaus
  2006-10-09 15:47     ` Tom Grosman
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: cl1 @ 2006-10-08 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw)


Tom Grosman wrote:
> "Tom Grosman" <grosman@aonix.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
> eeehdb$i1g$1@s1.news.oleane.net...
> > Aonix is pleased to announce the release of AonixADT 3.11, the first
> > publicly available version of our commercial quality Ada Development
> > Toolkit for Eclipse.
>
> Our website currently has AonixADTv311 for Windows 2000 and XP, with Linux
> and Solaris versions to be made available shortly.

Shortly does not seem soon enough. I was very upset to find
out that I was not able to use this on my Mac. The part I don't
understand is why a java plugin for an IDE written in java
wouldn't run on all platforms automatically. I understand that
the SWT gui stuff is platform specific, but I would think that
would mean just recompiling. In any case, I'm waiting for the
Mac OS X version not listed above.

Charles


>
> ObjectAda 8.2+ as well as various flavors/versions of GNAT are supported.
>
> The Quickstart guide available in pdf from the ADT download page will should
> give you a good idea of the functionality and look and feel of ADT.
> 
> -Tom




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* Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-10-08 15:48   ` cl1
@ 2006-10-09  9:49     ` Georg Bauhaus
  2006-10-09 15:47     ` Tom Grosman
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2006-10-09  9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 08:48 -0700, cl1 wrote:
> Tom Grosman wrote:


> > Our website currently has AonixADTv311 for Windows 2000 and XP, with Linux
> > and Solaris versions to be made available shortly.
> 
>  I was very upset to find
> out that I was not able to use this on my Mac.

You will find Tom's answer to your question in his posting
sent Aug 17.


-- Georg 





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* Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-10-08 15:48   ` cl1
  2006-10-09  9:49     ` Georg Bauhaus
@ 2006-10-09 15:47     ` Tom Grosman
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Tom Grosman @ 2006-10-09 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw)


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"cl1" <charles.w.lambert@gmail.com> a �crit dans le message de news: 
1160322521.714176.113420@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Tom Grosman wrote:
> "Tom Grosman" <grosman@aonix.fr> a �crit dans le message de news:
> eeehdb$i1g$1@s1.news.oleane.net...
> > Aonix is pleased to announce the release of AonixADT 3.11, the first
> > publicly available version of our commercial quality Ada Development
> > Toolkit for Eclipse.
>
> Our website currently has AonixADTv311 for Windows 2000 and XP, with Linux
> and Solaris versions to be made available shortly.
-------------------------------------------------------------
> Shortly does not seem soon enough. I was very upset to find
> out that I was not able to use this on my Mac. The part I don't
> understand is why a java plugin for an IDE written in java
> wouldn't run on all platforms automatically. I understand that
> the SWT gui stuff is platform specific, but I would think that
> would mean just recompiling. In any case, I'm waiting for the
> Mac OS X version not listed above.
>
> Charles

FWIW, JDT and CDT (in addition to Eclipse itself) also have separate plugins 
for different platforms.

-Tom 





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* Ada vendors - Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-10-07 12:38   ` Jeffrey Creem
@ 2006-10-15 17:27     ` Marco
  2006-10-15 22:13       ` Jeffrey Creem
  2006-10-17  1:10       ` Randy Brukardt
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Marco @ 2006-10-15 17:27 UTC (permalink / raw)


Jeffrey Creem wrote:
> Greenhills still has no Ada Eclipse but continues to update their Ada
> offerings (though their 2005 plans still seem in doubt). Though they
> tend to be aggressive in sales you never see a new product announcement
> here.

  Let's not bash Greenhills they have provided good Ada support over
the years. Ada 2005 updates should be customer driven, let's face it
you can hardly buy a complete C99 compliant compiler 7 years later.

>
> Rational/IBM seems to have the problem that they are so big one can
> never be sure if they sell any tool anymore (not just Ada) since stuff
> is so bogged down in the "software is a service/craft you a solution"
> mentality.
>
  Rational/IBM still sells Ada but hasn't updated their products in
years, unless you have to, I think it would be foolish to get Ada from
them now.

> Of course it could be that the vendors got tired of getting yelled at
> for commercial postings on Usenet.  We are a hard group of people to please.

  as long as they put ANN: or ANNOUNCE in the title instead of
disguising it as a topic I have no problem, in fact I tend to look at
them versus other crap that is posted

  Maybe other posters could list the current Ada compiler vendors and
their status.




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* Re: Ada vendors - Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-10-15 17:27     ` Ada vendors - " Marco
@ 2006-10-15 22:13       ` Jeffrey Creem
  2006-10-17  1:10       ` Randy Brukardt
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-10-15 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw)


Marco wrote:
> Jeffrey Creem wrote:
> 
>>Greenhills still has no Ada Eclipse but continues to update their Ada
>>offerings (though their 2005 plans still seem in doubt). Though they
>>tend to be aggressive in sales you never see a new product announcement
>>here.
> 
> 
>   Let's not bash Greenhills they have provided good Ada support over
> the years. Ada 2005 updates should be customer driven, let's face it
> you can hardly buy a complete C99 compliant compiler 7 years later.
> 
> 

Not sure I was really trying to bash them. They do have an agressive 
sales force. This is not entirely a bad thing. Often we do want to buy 
something. It is nice to find someone who wants to sell it!

As for the Ada 2005 support...It would be nice to see some mention of it 
on their site. I have asked about it (as a customer) in the recent past 
and been told that they were waiting to see what happened with the 
standard. That is a fair point, however the technical aspects have been 
nailed down now so I'd like to see something about it (i.e. Announcement 
- "Greenhills announces future availabilty of Ada 2005 support" - yes, 
they often pre-announce).






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* Re: Ada vendors - Re: ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11
  2006-10-15 17:27     ` Ada vendors - " Marco
  2006-10-15 22:13       ` Jeffrey Creem
@ 2006-10-17  1:10       ` Randy Brukardt
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Randy Brukardt @ 2006-10-17  1:10 UTC (permalink / raw)



"Marco" <prenom_nomus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160933258.066633.74510@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
...
> > Rational/IBM seems to have the problem that they are so big one can
> > never be sure if they sell any tool anymore (not just Ada) since stuff
> > is so bogged down in the "software is a service/craft you a solution"
> > mentality.
> >
>   Rational/IBM still sells Ada but hasn't updated their products in
> years, unless you have to, I think it would be foolish to get Ada from
> them now.

I can't speak to their products, but several IBM/Rational people were
instrumental in developing Ada 2005 -- which is more that I can say about
several other Ada compiler companies. I have to think that they are doing
more than sitting on their hands between ARG meetings...

I do know that they don't have anyone turning out PR for the Ada group. (In
IBM, it takes a lot of approvals to get PR allowed.) That might make updated
products invisible.

                                      Randy.





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* [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT
  2006-09-15 15:36 ANNOUNCE- AonixADT Ada Development Toolkit for Eclipse version 3.11 Tom Grosman
  2006-09-15 15:44 ` Tom Grosman
  2006-10-07  7:19 ` adaworks
@ 2006-10-30 17:19 ` Tom Grosman
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Tom Grosman @ 2006-10-30 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw)


Aonix is pleased to announce AonixADT v311, the first publicly available 
release of our Eclipse Ada Development plugin for Intel Linux and Sparc 
Solaris. In addition to introducing support for Linux and Solaris, version 
3111 updates AonixADT for Windows by adding support for lowlevel debugging 
operations and other enhancements..

AonixADT supports GNAT and ObjectAda toolchains and includes support for

Ada Project Navigation
Ada Semantic Browsing
Ada 95 Colorizing Editor
Ada Semantic Code Assist
Multilanguage Development
Multiple Build Configurations
File Creation Wizards
Code Formatting
Native Debugging from within Eclipse

More information about AonixADT and downloads are available at 
http://www.aonix.com/adt.html.






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* [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT
@ 2006-10-30 17:20 Tom Grosman
  2006-10-31  1:49 ` Marc A. Criley
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Tom Grosman @ 2006-10-30 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)


Aonix is pleased to announce AonixADT v311, the first publicly available
release of our Eclipse Ada Development plugin for Intel Linux and Sparc
Solaris. In addition to introducing support for Linux and Solaris, version
3111 updates AonixADT for Windows by adding support for lowlevel debugging
operations and other enhancements..

AonixADT supports GNAT and ObjectAda toolchains and includes support for

Ada Project Navigation
Ada Semantic Browsing
Ada 95 Colorizing Editor
Ada Semantic Code Assist
Multilanguage Development
Multiple Build Configurations
File Creation Wizards
Code Formatting
Native Debugging from within Eclipse

More information about AonixADT and downloads are available at
http://www.aonix.com/adt.html.








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* Re: [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT
  2006-10-30 17:20 Tom Grosman
@ 2006-10-31  1:49 ` Marc A. Criley
  2006-10-31  8:43   ` Alex R. Mosteo
  2006-10-31  9:37   ` Georg Bauhaus
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Marc A. Criley @ 2006-10-31  1:49 UTC (permalink / raw)


On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:20:47 +0100, Tom Grosman wrote:

> Aonix is pleased to announce AonixADT v311, the first publicly available
> release of our Eclipse Ada Development plugin for Intel Linux and Sparc
> Solaris. In addition to introducing support for Linux and Solaris, version
> 3111 updates AonixADT for Windows by adding support for lowlevel debugging
> operations and other enhancements..
> 
> AonixADT supports GNAT and ObjectAda toolchains and includes support for

Aonix still doesn't get it.

I've been looking to migrate to an Eclipse-based Ada development
environment and so was quite keen on this announcement.  So I register, go
to the download page, and see the following:

"Projects created using the GNAT toolchains are restricted to a maximum of
35 units and 2000 lines per source file. If this limitation is too
restrictive for your needs, contact Aonix to acquire the GNAT Professional
Add-On for AonixADT.  The GNAT Add-On includes full support for AonixADT."
(from http://www.aonix.com/adt_downloads.html)

My utility directory alone has more than 35 units, so this is simply a
non-starter.  GNAT Pro isn't an option for me at the present time, so
neither is the "GNAT Professional Add-On for AonixADT".

I don't want a "demo" version of an Eclipse-based Ada development
environment, nor am I looking to evaluate a crippled implementation.  If
Aonix wants to gain some ground in the community of Self-Motivated Ada
Developers, the products they make available to it must be fully
usable in our development environments. 

As it's now configured, AonixADT isn't worth my effort.

Whether or not you agree with AdaCore's full-GPL licensing of their Free
GNAT distribution, at least what they provide to the Ada community is
all fully enabled.

-- Marc A. Criley
-- McKae Technologies
-- www.mckae.com
-- DTraq - Avatox - XIA - XML EZ Out




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* Re: [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT
  2006-10-31  1:49 ` Marc A. Criley
@ 2006-10-31  8:43   ` Alex R. Mosteo
  2006-10-31  9:37   ` Georg Bauhaus
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Alex R. Mosteo @ 2006-10-31  8:43 UTC (permalink / raw)


Marc A. Criley wrote:

> I don't want a "demo" version of an Eclipse-based Ada development
> environment, nor am I looking to evaluate a crippled implementation.  If
> Aonix wants to gain some ground in the community of Self-Motivated Ada
> Developers, the products they make available to it must be fully
> usable in our development environments.

I guess at least it would be polite to include in the announce that this is
a crippled evaluation version. Just before reading this post I was
misinforming a colleague that finally there was a freely usable Ada plugin
for Eclipse. Furthermore, I don't see any clue of this not even at the
point when you have to send your info to get the download.

This reminds me that there was some people working on eclipse plugins.
Anyone reading? How far you got?



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* Re: [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT
  2006-10-31  1:49 ` Marc A. Criley
  2006-10-31  8:43   ` Alex R. Mosteo
@ 2006-10-31  9:37   ` Georg Bauhaus
  2006-10-31 13:21     ` Tom Grosman
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2006-10-31  9:37 UTC (permalink / raw)


Marc A. Criley wrote:

> My utility directory alone has more than 35 units, so this is simply a
> non-starter.  GNAT Pro isn't an option for me at the present time, so
> neither is the "GNAT Professional Add-On for AonixADT".

I'm not sure the conclusion follows from the premises. :-) :-)
There may be two limitations here, not necessarily depedent:

1/ GNAT Pro Add-On for ADT
2/ GNAT Pro

I imagine the Aonix GNAT Pro ADT Add-On is not covered by an AdaCore
support subscription. Also, by mere speculation, the pricing for
ADT may be, uh, unrelated to that of GNAT Pro.

I'd like to say Thank You to those who made this plugin!

It has feature that impress me. Many other plugins
provide little more than syntax highlighting.

What could be an incentive to the business entity Aonix so they
add all kinds of "free" to their product?
Will they  have reason to think about conditions for projects
that seem less self-interestested and closed source, but rather
seem good and profitable for everyone, including Aonix?



Georg 



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* Re: [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT
  2006-10-31  9:37   ` Georg Bauhaus
@ 2006-10-31 13:21     ` Tom Grosman
  2006-11-01  1:30       ` Marc A. Criley
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Tom Grosman @ 2006-10-31 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw)


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"Georg Bauhaus" <bauhaus@futureapps.de> a �crit dans le message de news: 
45471846$0$18848$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net...
> Marc A. Criley wrote:
>
>> My utility directory alone has more than 35 units, so this is simply a
>> non-starter.  GNAT Pro isn't an option for me at the present time, so
>> neither is the "GNAT Professional Add-On for AonixADT".
>
> I'm not sure the conclusion follows from the premises. :-) :-)
> There may be two limitations here, not necessarily depedent:
>
> 1/ GNAT Pro Add-On for ADT
> 2/ GNAT Pro
>
> I imagine the Aonix GNAT Pro ADT Add-On is not covered by an AdaCore
> support subscription. Also, by mere speculation, the pricing for
> ADT may be, uh, unrelated to that of GNAT Pro.

That's correct. As comp.lang.ada readers know, a sore point with smaller Ada 
shops, is the GNATPro pricing model, which IIRC starts at 5 or 10 seats. It 
is possible to buy a single license of the GNAT Professional Add-on. (The 
Add-on can be used with GNATPro or GPL'ed GNAT releases.)

> I'd like to say Thank You to those who made this plugin!

You're welcome !

>
> It has feature that impress me. Many other plugins
> provide little more than syntax highlighting.
>
> What could be an incentive to the business entity Aonix so they
> add all kinds of "free" to their product?

AonixADT when used with ObjectAda of course does not restrict project size. 
Mark, if you can show us a valid business model where we invest development 
resources to provide a free Eclipse interface for a competitor's product, 
we're willing to consider other approaches. We think that the limitation on 
project size means that the ADT is useful for smaller projects and 
especially in acedemic settings, without the Add-on. Judging from the number 
of students and faculty downloading the plugin, that may be the case. 
Because the downloadable version includes all features, we also think that 
users can get a good idea of whether it meets their professional development 
needs before requesting the Add-on.

> Will they  have reason to think about conditions for projects
> that seem less self-interestested and closed source, but rather
> seem good and profitable for everyone, including Aonix?

We are actively involved in projects like that.  If you know of other such 
projects, please let us know. We've been Ada advocates for 25 years. Still 
are.

Tom






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* Re: [ANN]- AonixADT for Eclipse now available for Intel/Linux and Sparc/Solaris for GNAT
  2006-10-31 13:21     ` Tom Grosman
@ 2006-11-01  1:30       ` Marc A. Criley
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Marc A. Criley @ 2006-11-01  1:30 UTC (permalink / raw)


Tom Grosman wrote:
> [Marc], if you can show us a valid business model where we invest
> development resources to provide a free Eclipse interface for a
> competitor's product, we're willing to consider other approaches. We
> think that the limitation on project size means that the ADT is useful
> for smaller projects and especially in acedemic settings, without the
> Add-on.

Perhaps not a "business model", but instead a "business _opportunity_
model".

All Ada software I've developed outside of my day job has been possible
due to AdaCore's compilation tools, and the generosity of numerous other
software developers in the Ada community. I've never used an Aonix
product, but not because I have anything against the company (quite the
contrary, I've been aware of, and appreciated, Aonix' Ada advocacy over
the years).

I'm a serious, self-motivated Ada developer, as are many others in this
forum, so any tool or product that I use has to be capable of performing
effectively and efficiently in my development environment.

AonixADT for GNAT is too capability-limited for my activities, therefore I
won't spend time giving a serious look to a tool that I can't properly
evaluate in my real-world environment. So Aonix loses an opportunity to
gain some mindshare and some hand's-on experience with me.

And without that mindshare and experience, there's no basis for me to
recommend the product to others, including my day job employers. Fair or
not, individuals tasked with recommending tools can't help but be biased
towards those they're already familiar with.

At a former employer that was transitioning from a defunct Ada 83 compiler
to Ada 95, it was my responsibility to make the technical case for the
compiler choice--and clearly my 5 years of experience at that time with
GNAT influenced my analysis. More recently, my experience with the free
distribution of the Perforce Source Control tool (www.perforce.com) to
small development organizations led me to recommending Perforce (over CVS
and ClearCASE, which I also had significant experience with) to an
employer that was upgrading from an ancient version of SourceSafe.

Hand's on exposure to fully capable tools, or those that are limited in a
non-intrusive way (e.g., the free Perforce is limited to two users--not
much of an impediment to a One Map Shop :-) gain mindshare for the product
and the company. While _I_ may find it infeasible to drop $5000 for an
Aonix Ada compiler on Linux, that's not to say I won't give it a fair
hearing to an employer based on what I've learned about the company's
products, quality, and service gained by the use of their other
products--such as AonixADT.

-- Marc A. Criley
-- McKae Technologies
-- www.mckae.com
-- DTraq - Avatox - XIA - XML EZ Out



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