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From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2010-06-21T02:58:54-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eedc0eb1-f5a3-49cc-a66c-cabd6f2f299a@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9293ac0b-a7a4-4241-91f4-8b5ec6ac7a7c@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com

Maciej Sobczak wrote on comp.lang.ada:
> Last but not least - there is a difference between C and C++ and there
> is a difference between respective communities as well, even if it's
> usually forgotten on this group. If your fellows are "real C
> programmes", you're doomed and forget about selling Ada to them - they
> will just don't see the point, ever. Just forget. But if they are C++
> programmers and they already understand the importance of large-scale
> constructs like namespaces, object-orientation, encapsulation,
> abstraction, design patterns, controlled memory usage, and so on, then
> this is where you can start your pitch, because they will already
> understand what you're talking about and most importantly, they
> already feel the need for such things.

IMHO, there exists a subset of the "real C programmers" that can be
sensitive to the quality afforded by Ada. This is the subset that
understands that C is harmful and relies on "coding standards",
"language subsets", "lint" and "code review" to reduce the amount of
bugs they write. With C, all these tools and techniques are optional,
non-standard add-ons to their toolchain. With Ada, they get it for
free with the compiler. I like to think that the compiler does a code
review every time I compile. In addition, Ada is amenable to even more
thorough automatic code checking (see AdaControl, GNAT Checker,
CodePeer).

--
Ludovic Brenta.
"Examples of languages generally recognised to be more suitable than C
are Ada and Modula 2. If such languages could be available for a
proposed system then their use should be seriously considered in
preference to C." MISRA, "Guidelines For The Use Of The C Language In
Vehicle Based Software", 1998, Section 1.3.



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Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-19 23:01 Advice on selling Ada to a C shop usenet
2010-06-20  6:17 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-20  6:24 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 14:07   ` Warren
2010-06-20  7:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-20  7:40   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-20 12:46     ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-21 14:23       ` Warren
2010-06-25 17:34         ` Marco
2010-06-28 13:22           ` Warren
2010-06-29  8:42             ` Stephen Leake
2010-07-01 21:09               ` Per Sandberg
2010-08-21  3:53               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:22                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 10:10                   ` Simon Wright
2010-08-22  0:16                   ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-20  9:34 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 12:35   ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-20 17:44   ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-20 18:06     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 21:13       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21  0:29         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21  1:14           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-21  8:10             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-24  0:04             ` BrianG
2010-06-28 13:37               ` Warren
2010-06-21  8:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21  9:22           ` George Orwell
2010-06-21 13:59             ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21  4:28               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:21                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 11:06                 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 14:40             ` Warren
2010-06-21 17:38               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 20:04                 ` Warren
2010-06-21 19:47               ` starwars
2010-06-21 20:07                 ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:33           ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:29       ` Warren
2010-06-22  5:01         ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-08-21  4:11     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:01       ` Pascal Obry
2010-08-21  9:24       ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21  8:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-21  9:58   ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2010-06-23 15:36   ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 13:43 ` Warren
2010-06-22 15:00 ` Lucretia
2010-06-22 18:01   ` anon
2010-06-22 19:06     ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-23 16:20       ` anon
2010-06-23 18:19         ` (see below)
2010-06-23 22:28           ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-23 19:57         ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-23 20:50           ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-23 21:24             ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-29 20:30             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-29 20:35               ` Adam Beneschan
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2010-07-01 11:32                 ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-23 21:33           ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-24 17:25             ` anon
2010-06-24 22:18               ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-24  7:48           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-24 17:24             ` anon
2010-06-24 19:34               ` Maciej Sobczak
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2010-07-06  5:37       ` David Thompson
2010-07-06 11:14         ` anon
2010-07-09 13:21           ` Marco
2010-07-09 13:45             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-09 14:12               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-09 15:08                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-22 18:06 ` Phil Clayton
2010-06-22 20:25   ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-22 21:00 ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-23  7:17   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-23  7:40     ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-23 11:17       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-23 18:38         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-23  8:08     ` Gautier write-only
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