From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2010-06-21T02:58:54-07:00 [thread overview]
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Maciej Sobczak wrote on comp.lang.ada:
> Last but not least - there is a difference between C and C++ and there
> is a difference between respective communities as well, even if it's
> usually forgotten on this group. If your fellows are "real C
> programmes", you're doomed and forget about selling Ada to them - they
> will just don't see the point, ever. Just forget. But if they are C++
> programmers and they already understand the importance of large-scale
> constructs like namespaces, object-orientation, encapsulation,
> abstraction, design patterns, controlled memory usage, and so on, then
> this is where you can start your pitch, because they will already
> understand what you're talking about and most importantly, they
> already feel the need for such things.
IMHO, there exists a subset of the "real C programmers" that can be
sensitive to the quality afforded by Ada. This is the subset that
understands that C is harmful and relies on "coding standards",
"language subsets", "lint" and "code review" to reduce the amount of
bugs they write. With C, all these tools and techniques are optional,
non-standard add-ons to their toolchain. With Ada, they get it for
free with the compiler. I like to think that the compiler does a code
review every time I compile. In addition, Ada is amenable to even more
thorough automatic code checking (see AdaControl, GNAT Checker,
CodePeer).
--
Ludovic Brenta.
"Examples of languages generally recognised to be more suitable than C
are Ada and Modula 2. If such languages could be available for a
proposed system then their use should be seriously considered in
preference to C." MISRA, "Guidelines For The Use Of The C Language In
Vehicle Based Software", 1998, Section 1.3.
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2010-06-19 23:01 Advice on selling Ada to a C shop usenet
2010-06-20 6:17 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-20 6:24 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 14:07 ` Warren
2010-06-20 7:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-20 7:40 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-20 12:46 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-21 14:23 ` Warren
2010-06-25 17:34 ` Marco
2010-06-28 13:22 ` Warren
2010-06-29 8:42 ` Stephen Leake
2010-07-01 21:09 ` Per Sandberg
2010-08-21 3:53 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21 9:22 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 10:10 ` Simon Wright
2010-08-22 0:16 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-20 9:34 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 12:35 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-20 17:44 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-20 18:06 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 21:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21 0:29 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21 1:14 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-21 8:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-24 0:04 ` BrianG
2010-06-28 13:37 ` Warren
2010-06-21 8:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21 9:22 ` George Orwell
2010-06-21 13:59 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 4:28 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21 9:21 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 11:06 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 14:40 ` Warren
2010-06-21 17:38 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 20:04 ` Warren
2010-06-21 19:47 ` starwars
2010-06-21 20:07 ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:33 ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:29 ` Warren
2010-06-22 5:01 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-08-21 4:11 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21 9:01 ` Pascal Obry
2010-08-21 9:24 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21 8:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-21 9:58 ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2010-06-23 15:36 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 13:43 ` Warren
2010-06-22 15:00 ` Lucretia
2010-06-22 18:01 ` anon
2010-06-22 19:06 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-23 16:20 ` anon
2010-06-23 18:19 ` (see below)
2010-06-23 22:28 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-23 19:57 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-23 20:50 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-23 21:24 ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-29 20:30 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-29 20:35 ` Adam Beneschan
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2010-07-01 11:32 ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-23 21:33 ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-24 17:25 ` anon
2010-06-24 22:18 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-24 7:48 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-24 17:24 ` anon
2010-06-24 19:34 ` Maciej Sobczak
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2010-07-06 5:37 ` David Thompson
2010-07-06 11:14 ` anon
2010-07-09 13:21 ` Marco
2010-07-09 13:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-09 14:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-09 15:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-22 18:06 ` Phil Clayton
2010-06-22 20:25 ` Gautier write-only
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2010-06-23 7:17 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-23 7:40 ` Gautier write-only
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