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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@NoSpam.cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: For the AdaOS folks
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:52:45 -0500
Date: 2005-01-03T10:52:45-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eSdCd.14830$0y4.5448@read1.cgocable.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan.2005.01.03.06.40.06.525317@n_o_p_o_r_k_a_n_d_h_a_m.abyss2.demon.co.uk>

Luke A. Guest wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:13:47 -0500, Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote:
>>>>>Correct. That's why a protected AmigaOS must support protection domains
>>>>>not only for processes but also for libraries. That's a generalization
>>>>>of the UNIX model. There you have protection domains for each process
>>>>>plus one protection domain for the kernel which is mainly a huge
>>>>>library. In AmigaOS every library would need its own protection domain
>>>>>and context switches must be as lightweight as possible.
>>>
>>>I certainly wouldn't do it like that. On hardware that has an MMU (most
>>>these days), that would result in a very slow system due to the amount of
>>>context switches, this is why the libraries need to be mapped into the
>>>address space of the running app, i.e. shared between applications.
>>
>>There is no argument about the overhead in this case. However, I
>>maintain that if enough people start using operating systems
>>that are implemented this way, they'll finally enhance the
>>hardware to correct this problem. Until then, people may as well
>>continue to say "we can't do it that way". I believe the problem
>>is fixable in hardware.
> 
> Yeah but, what you were saying was that you wanted OSes to use protection
> domains for libraries *as well*, this is the wrong way to go. The
> libraries are (and should be) mapped into an applications address space,
> libraries *should never* have their own address spaces. It is that idea
> which is wrong and would be slow, not the *proper* way to do it.

Oh, no - I don't know where you got that from (perhaps you've mixed me
up with a different poster). Shared libraries have an important
role to play.
--
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-03 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-27  5:09 For the AdaOS folks Wes Groleau
2004-12-27 10:56 ` Florian Weimer
2004-12-27 12:50   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-27 13:12     ` Florian Weimer
2004-12-28  1:18   ` Wes Groleau
2004-12-27 13:46 ` Adrien Plisson
2004-12-27 16:28   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-12-28  6:19   ` Microkernels & Ada (Was for the AdaOS folks) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-28 12:02     ` Adrien Plisson
2004-12-28 15:28       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-30  1:19 ` For the AdaOS folks Nick Roberts
2004-12-30 13:58   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-30 15:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-30 16:30       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
     [not found]         ` <otb8t09dkjh54e1k5s5ccn23ggkqk6ndui@4ax.com>
2004-12-30 19:06           ` OT: Mach Ports (For the AdaOS folks) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-31 10:03         ` For the AdaOS folks Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-31 11:30           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-31 12:31             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-31 16:24               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-31 17:57                 ` Marven Lee
2004-12-31 18:40                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-12-31 19:22                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-02 15:09                     ` Marven Lee
2005-01-02 20:06                       ` Luke A. Guest
2005-01-03  3:13                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03  6:40                           ` Luke A. Guest
2005-01-03 10:30                             ` Marven Lee
2005-01-03 15:52                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2005-01-03 16:48                           ` Ad Buijsen
2005-01-03 18:49                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 13:43                         ` Marven Lee
2005-01-04 23:36                         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-03 16:22                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04 23:16                       ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05  3:48                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 13:14                           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-01 12:53                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-02  0:31                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-02 11:50                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-02 22:04                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 10:30                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-03 16:36                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 17:05                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-03 19:01                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-03 19:55                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-03 20:44                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04  0:02                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-04 17:44                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04 20:14                                         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-04  9:59                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-04 18:00                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04 19:07                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-04 19:57                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05  0:02                                             ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05  4:37                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 18:54                                                 ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05 20:04                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-06  0:32                                                     ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-06  1:29                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2005-01-06 11:03                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-05  9:39                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-05 11:20                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 12:18                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-05 14:39                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 17:16                                                     ` zest_fien
2005-01-05 19:44                                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-04 20:09           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05 10:19             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-05 18:33               ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05 20:15                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-12-31 18:47     ` Nick Roberts
2004-12-31 20:36       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-04 18:22         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05  5:12           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-05 18:02             ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-05 19:55               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2005-01-06  0:57                 ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-06  2:34                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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2005-01-05 12:14 Mike Brenner
2005-01-05 18:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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