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From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Manifesto against Vector
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:43:52 -0400
Date: 2004-05-13T10:43:52-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e4WdnR78OLo0FD7dRVn-vA@comcast.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nZ6dnaivKYOgkT7dRVn-uw@megapath.net>

Randy Brukardt wrote:

> In any case, I've spend far more time on this topic already than it ever has
> desired. I'm not going to spend any more -- nice talking to you again.

I've been staying out of the with/use discussion Part II, because it is 
a waste of time and electrons.  But I'll make one last try to convince 
Russ.  There are issues that Russ is either not willing to understand, 
or does not consider important.  The ARG has considered ALL the 
technical and software engineering issues and concluded that this is a 
bad idea.

If you, Russ, were willing to do the work (on all issues) and have the 
time and necessary mindset to be an ARG member, go for it.  But on this, 
as on any issue, you will have only one vote and the power of persuasion.

But another ARG rule is not to reopen old issues without new evidence. 
(Almost always something overlooked that makes the agreed solution 
wrong. Not just less popular.)  Without that the ARG would spend all its 
time rehashing old issues and never get anything done.

Or you could apply for membership on the US TAG to WG9 (or the 
equivalent group for whatever country you are a citizen of).  WG9 
reviews ARG approved issues and can send the ARG back to the drawing 
board if WG9 doesn't like the proposed solution.  (And sometimes WG9 
gets told, "Tough, we can't find a better solution." ;-) But again, you 
would have one vote among many, and I think at the WG9 level this 
proposal has even less of a chance of passing.

So drop it.  And notice that any ARG member has plenty of pet hobby 
horses he is willing to ride on the slightest excuse.  But in the ARG, 
if you can't put that aside, accept the results of the vote, and 
consider the next AI, you don't belong there.

Oh, and don't bother to respond to this post.  In fact, I almost set 
followups to /dev/null or alt.flame, but I consider that anti-social.

-- 

                                           Robert I. Eachus

"The terrorist enemy holds no territory, defends no population, is 
unconstrained by rules of warfare, and respects no law of morality. Such 
an enemy cannot be deterred, contained, appeased or negotiated with. It 
can only be destroyed--and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the business 
at hand."  -- Dick Cheney




  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-13 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-04  3:20 Manifesto against Vector Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-04 16:30 ` chris
2004-05-04 17:19   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 20:40     ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-04 20:58       ` Xenos
2004-05-07  8:05         ` Ranges in C++ Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 23:18           ` James Rogers
2004-05-08  6:45             ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 16:19             ` Xenos
2004-05-10 18:04               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 19:03                 ` Xenos
2004-05-11  5:59                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-04 17:16 ` Manifesto against Vector Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-04 18:24   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 19:17     ` Xenos
2004-05-04 19:53       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-05  9:24       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-05  5:28     ` Russ
2004-05-05  7:01       ` tmoran
2004-05-05 17:37       ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-06  3:42         ` Russ
2004-05-06  5:55           ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-06  7:03           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-06  9:29             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06  9:41               ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-06 12:44                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 13:30                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-06 14:35                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-05-07  8:23                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 12:38                       ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-09 20:34                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-10  8:26                           ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-10 12:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 14:48                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-07  8:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 14:30                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-09 20:33                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-12 19:49                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-07  7:01                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-06  9:55               ` with and use again (was: Manifesto against Vector) Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-06 12:04                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07  6:53                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-09 20:33                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-10  7:00                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 12:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 16:27                 ` with and use again Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-05-06 19:53               ` Manifesto against Vector Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07  0:42                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-07  6:49                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07 18:20                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-07 19:15                       ` Simon Wright
2004-05-10  6:49                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-10 17:25                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-11 13:25                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07  5:00               ` Simon Wright
2004-05-07  6:40               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 16:25               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-05-07  6:33             ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-06 14:28           ` Wes Groleau
2004-05-07  5:15             ` Russ
2004-05-10 11:55               ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-12 19:44                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-12 19:42               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-13  5:23                 ` Russ
2004-05-13  5:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-13 14:43                     ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2004-05-14  1:02                     ` Russ
2004-05-07  6:29           ` with use - again [Was: Manifesto against Vector] Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 11:18             ` Manuel Collado
2004-05-07 14:37               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-07 13:41             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-05-07 13:06               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-05 19:45       ` Manifesto against Vector Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 18:42   ` Ada.Containers names Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-05 23:21   ` Manifesto against Vector Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-07  4:55 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-10  4:10   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-12  7:41     ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-12 12:11       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-12 12:50       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-10  6:41 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 17:41   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-11  1:29     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-11 20:53       ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
     [not found]       ` <XRVrJe0vzF@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-05-11 22:26         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-11  5:55     ` Martin Krischik
     [not found] <PnHmmb05QD@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-05-04  9:07 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 13:08   ` (see below)
2004-05-04 15:16     ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-05 13:21       ` Kevin Hostelley
2004-05-05 13:53         ` Georg Bauhaus
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