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From: aek@vib.usr.pu.ru (Alexander Kopilovitch)
Subject: Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?
Date: 9 Sep 2003 17:53:33 -0700
Date: 2003-09-10T00:53:34+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e2e5731a.0309091653.1cc88201@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: as3rlv8rc2rf4362fqfeafb5ngtb2hu3b7@4ax.com

Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:

> >Why take all the mess and inefficiency of that JVM? Why not use Ada-to-C
> >translation step? As far as I understand, the SofCheck has and can supply
> >you that technology/toolset. And you may tell your customers that this is
> >simply a great way to achive both goodies in one bottle: good high-level OO
> >language for development and maintenance, and at the same time fashionable
> >restricted C for deployment on targets.
> 
> They are managers, you know. Sometimes talking with them I am thinking
> that all stoies about Martians capturing humans, washing them brains
> and then returning them back are true. Managers are those returned! Or
> maybe dressed Martians. (:-)) Today they keep on wanting Java. That's
> it.

Well, even if they are Martians that doesn't matter - why not export our
products to Mars, or via Mars? They still will pay in a currency, which
is valid here on Earth. And Mars do not pose an immediate threat.

Actually, they do not want specifically Java - they want fashionable
things, and no more. And furthemore, they want fashionable things just
because they consider them as relatively safe things. They are responsible
for decisions (or at least for propositions, which may lead to decisions),
so they feel themselves liable for future failures. And they know well,
that the punishment for a failure probably will be heavier if the
decision resulted in the failure somehow deviated from a perceived
"industry standard". They know that probably nobody will investigate
the details and motives, but instead the manager will be found guilty
for failure to maintain the industry standart (or state-of-art).
So, a manager will agree to deviate from a fashionable thing only if
he thinks that the *weighted" risk for him will be lower with this
deviation. Alternatively, you may provide him a solid argumentation
(which he find satisfactory for the possible future self-defence)
for that you propose is not a deviation, but actually the true
industry standard for the case.

> Seriosly, one good thing about JVM has is a large library of widgets
> and communication protocols. To convince a manager your demo
> application should have all that and works on his PDA. Once you get a
> contract, you can slowly drag them into the right direction. But only
> then.

Well, so you, perhaps, should separate application's "front-end"
from the application's "engine" in your overall design, and then
give that "front-end" to some cheap subcontractors, giving then
your specifications *in Ada* (they will quickly learn some Ada
for that, because that will be part of their work, and you know
that this is not difficult for cheap subcontractors -:), and
monitoring them with your QA. Those subcontractors will provide
you that "front-end" in Java for demo and prototyping purposes,
while you will be free from all that mess. And for those customer's
managers you may explain that your technology is a great combination
of a solid software engineering methods and technique for fundamental
issues of the project and a modern, state-of-art (Java) technology
for data communication and data presentation.



Alexander Kopilovitch                      aek@vib.usr.pu.ru
Saint-Petersburg
Russia



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2003-09-06 21:47 Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-07  4:05 ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-07  4:59 ` Russ
2003-09-07  6:02   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-07  8:12     ` David Marceau
2003-09-07 10:17       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-07 14:31         ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-09-14 11:39           ` Alex Gibson
2003-09-08  7:49         ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-08 18:37       ` svaa
2003-09-07 11:24     ` Russ
2003-09-07 19:01       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-07 19:41         ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-09-07 20:17         ` David C. Hoos
2003-09-07 21:45         ` Russ
2003-09-08  4:10           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-08 18:35           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  0:19             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  7:41               ` Russ
2003-09-11  2:59                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-08  5:09         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-08  9:54           ` Rod Chapman
2003-09-09  0:25           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  6:51             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  7:33             ` Russ
2003-09-09  9:24               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-11  3:10               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  7:34             ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-09 13:13               ` Ed Falis
2003-09-10  6:09                 ` Robert C. Leif
     [not found]                 ` <20030910060915.VSBE25714.mta015.verizon.net@smtp.covadmail.net>
2003-09-10 12:49                   ` Ed Falis
2003-09-09 23:48               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  7:13                 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-11  1:39                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  7:48                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-14 21:44               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-15  9:19                 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-15 23:31                   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  0:26                     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-16  7:05                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-09-16  1:46                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-16  2:52                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16 17:29                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-17  0:50                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17  1:25                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-22 14:33                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 15:26                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23  8:04                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 12:24                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 13:29                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 13:38                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 14:07                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 14:36                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 14:47                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 15:09                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-24  2:13                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  8:17                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 11:43                                         ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24 12:55                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23  8:19                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23 12:29                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 13:38                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  1:55                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  2:38                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-24  3:52                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  8:28                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17 16:56                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 19:47             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11  3:21               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 13:33                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 14:04                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 21:05                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 22:01                       ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 23:04                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-12  4:36                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  8:20                       ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-15 16:47                         ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-16  7:48                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 15:24                           ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-18  5:24                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-18  8:28                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-09-22 15:34                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 16:26                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23  8:34                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23 10:49                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-23 13:57                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  1:47                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  2:03                                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24  2:26                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24 10:49                                     ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24  3:03                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 17:25                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 20:56                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-11 23:10                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 23:33                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-12  4:03                         ` tmoran
2003-09-12  5:02                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 20:11                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-13 17:05                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 17:31                                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-13 19:07                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14  1:38                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-14 19:53                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  8:33                                     ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-14 20:14                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-15 15:09                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  4:32                                 ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-12 16:02                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-12 18:17                             ` Ed Falis
2003-09-14  1:41                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-15 17:00                               ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 21:38                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-11 23:19                       ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]                     ` <u9v2mvgt0ih71a8i780bmos6nrik4v23l9@4ax.com>
2003-09-15  9:33                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  7:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17  1:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17 15:42                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12  4:00                   ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-12  8:30                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-11  8:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 17:28                 ` Can MI be supported? (Was: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-13 18:31                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14  1:50                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-14 23:33                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-15  1:24                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15 14:08                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 20:33                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-08 14:36         ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Ed Falis
2003-09-08 14:55           ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-08 16:35             ` Ed Falis
2003-09-08 17:35             ` Robert Spooner
2003-09-09  7:17               ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-09  1:47       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  6:46         ` Russ
2003-09-09  8:19           ` Dr. Michael Paus
2003-09-11  3:03             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09 20:35           ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-14  6:24   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 10:51     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-14 12:49       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 19:59         ` Russ
2003-09-15  0:46           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  7:11             ` Russ
2003-09-15 17:48               ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-17  0:29                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17  4:56                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-17 19:10                     ` Russ
2003-09-17 20:13                       ` Martin Dowie
2003-09-18  6:48                         ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-18 16:06                           ` Martin Dowie
2003-09-18 21:00                             ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-18 22:37                           ` Russ
2003-09-19 20:14                           ` Robert A Duff
2003-09-23 10:48                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-23 18:59                         ` Russ
2003-09-24 14:17                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-25  0:42                             ` Russ
2003-09-25  8:22                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25  9:11                               ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:29                                 ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? [although this thread changed to something else a long time ago] Jeff C,
2003-09-25 11:34                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:36                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:39                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25 19:11                                   ` Russ
2003-09-25 19:40                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25 19:56                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-26  7:55                                       ` Russ
2003-09-26  9:58                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-26 13:05                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-26 18:41                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-26 19:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-27 19:09                                         ` Russ
2003-09-27 22:43                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  3:12                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-28 10:56                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-29 19:37                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  8:36                                           ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-28  1:29                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-25 15:55                                 ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Wes Groleau
2003-09-25 16:11                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 16:36                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-25 23:41                                     ` Russ
2003-09-26 19:45                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  8:48                                         ` Russ
2003-09-28 14:32                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 23:38                                             ` Russ
2003-09-29 20:07                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-22 13:15                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23  7:05                       ` Russ
2003-09-23  8:10                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-18  5:05               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-14 22:45     ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-07  6:19 ` Mike Silva
2003-09-07  6:58 ` David Marceau
2003-09-07 21:55   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-08 12:57   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-07 13:23 ` chris
2003-09-11  7:19   ` David Marceau
2003-09-14  6:41     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14  6:34   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-07 14:20 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09 14:39   ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-07 15:41 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-07 19:06   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-10  4:43   ` John R. Strohm
2003-09-10 16:35     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-14  6:55       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-07 16:13 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-07 22:21   ` chris
2003-09-07 23:31     ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-07 23:10       ` chris
2003-09-08  2:11         ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-08 15:01     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-08 15:51       ` chris
2003-09-10  6:09         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-13 11:57       ` Michael Erdmann
2003-09-10  4:44   ` John R. Strohm
2003-09-10 14:15     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-10 16:40       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-11  0:01         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-12 12:39           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-08  0:34 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-09-08  1:36 ` David Emery
2003-09-08 20:07   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-08  3:40 ` William J. Thomas
2003-09-08 19:36   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-08 21:14     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-09  8:28       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10 19:09         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 17:07           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-11 21:36             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  2:23               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-15  6:58                 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-15  9:17                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08  8:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08 19:50   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  8:36     ` Peter Amey
2003-09-09  8:43     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10  0:53       ` Alexander Kopilovitch [this message]
2003-09-10  8:22         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10 12:36           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-10 13:48             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10 16:56             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 20:08             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 12:35               ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-11 13:51                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12  5:45                   ` Management, was:Is " Anders Wirzenius
2003-09-12  9:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 12:39                   ` Is " Marin David Condic
2003-09-12 16:50                     ` tmoran
2003-09-12 16:50                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 12:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-13 19:16                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  3:48                     ` Russ
2003-09-13 12:27                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-14 22:30                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-15 16:38                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
     [not found]                   ` <wvbrisnulbiy.fsf@sun.com>
2003-09-16 15:20                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-16 16:38                       ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-17 12:26                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-17 12:56                           ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-10 16:45           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-12 18:55           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-15 12:38             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16  1:36               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-16 13:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17  3:15                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-17 16:08                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17 22:16                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-18  7:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-18 18:46                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-19  8:17                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-20  1:44                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-22 11:48                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-22 13:38                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-22 14:22                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-22 16:45                                       ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-23  8:15                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 16:00                                           ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-24  8:42                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 14:15                                               ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-22 18:24                                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-23  4:05                                         ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-25 17:13                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-23  8:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23  7:17                                       ` Russ
2003-09-24  2:17                                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-23 16:06                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-23 16:57                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-25 17:16                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-23  2:05                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-23  9:14                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  2:52                                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-24  9:45                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-25  2:51                                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-25  9:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-25 21:12                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-26  8:48                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-26 17:22                                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-29  8:43                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08 12:43 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-08 19:15 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-09 16:48   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-09 21:16     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-10 16:58       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 12:46     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-08 19:58 ` Gautier Write-only
2003-09-13 17:52 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-15 16:31   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-16  0:22     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-16  0:38     ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-15 16:34   ` chris
2003-09-14 17:03 ` JM
2003-09-14 21:05   ` Russ
2003-09-14 21:37   ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-15 16:34   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-15 18:07     ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-16  0:29 ` Inheritance was " chris
2003-09-16 21:41   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-25 18:04 ` Jan Kroken
2003-09-25 21:50   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-25 22:06     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26  1:53       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-26  2:31         ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26  5:40           ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-26  8:51           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-26 10:47             ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 10:56               ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-26 13:00                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26 17:43                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 19:07                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26 22:27                     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 22:59                       ` tmoran
2003-09-26 23:16                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-26 17:41           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 19:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-29  2:46           ` Craig Carey
2003-09-30  2:20             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30  3:24               ` tmoran
2003-09-30 12:33                 ` (see below)
2003-09-30 20:50                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 22:13                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-30  7:01               ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-30 12:30                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 12:35                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-30 13:02                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 14:28                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-09-30 21:01                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 22:01                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-01 12:47                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-01 17:36                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-01 20:15                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-02  7:29                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 14:18                               ` Counter-proposal for variable arrays Wes Groleau
2003-10-03 20:29                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-03 21:06                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-04  8:31                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-04 12:10                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-05  6:03                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-06 16:05                                         ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-07  9:23                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-10-08  8:57                                             ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-10  3:12                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-08  7:01                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-05  5:52                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-06 13:12                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08  6:56                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-08  7:36                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 17:54                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-09  8:19                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-09 14:33                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-09 16:27                                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-16  0:52                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-16  7:38                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-17 21:20                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-18 10:05                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 19:48                               ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03 20:30                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-03 21:42                                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-05  0:49                                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-06 12:25                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-06 22:57                                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-07  8:21                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-16  0:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-16  7:27                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-04  1:43                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-04 11:28                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-06 12:07                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 18:05                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-04 13:48                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-06 12:14                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 14:16                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-08 14:58                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 23:37                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-09  7:52                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-10 17:21                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 23:46                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 12:28                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 17:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-01 12:17                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 13:50                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-10-02  0:38                         ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                           ` <NhMeb.477065$Oz4.311358@rwcrnsc54>
2003-10-02 12:31                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20  7:43                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-10-20 12:20                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02  4:17                         ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 21:54                       ` tmoran
2003-10-02  0:50                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 20:03                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03 12:22                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 12:26                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-03 12:36                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 14:24                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-03 18:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04  1:49                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 12:31                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 13:54                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 21:10                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-06 17:09                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-06 23:26                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-06 16:47                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-08 17:57                                     ` A nongeneric bounded string array type (was Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?) Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-09 16:47                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-10 17:40                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-15 16:11                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-16 14:47                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-16 16:39                                               ` A nongeneric bounded string array type (in database code) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-16 23:45                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 13:15                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-17 15:05                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 19:38                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-17 22:52                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-02  9:19                       ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 12:37                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 13:07                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 16:39                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 16:44                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20  7:42                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-30 14:58                   ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-10-01 11:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 17:33                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-02  1:29                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02 12:24                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 20:50                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02 19:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03  1:55                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02  4:14                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-30 17:43                   ` tmoran
2003-10-02 19:30                   ` Simon Wright
2003-10-20  7:39                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-30 12:21               ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 13:56                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-01 12:34                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02  7:41                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 12:42                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 14:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-30 20:42               ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-09-26  3:21       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-26  0:05   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 12:52   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-26 13:09     ` chris
2003-09-26 17:46       ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 17:57         ` chris
2003-09-29 14:58           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 21:46         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27  0:53     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-27 14:34       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27 19:24         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-28  2:38         ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-28 14:46           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 19:58             ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-29  3:17             ` Hyman Rosen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-16  8:56 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-09-16 10:56 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16 12:06 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-10-03 21:51 chris
2003-10-03 23:10 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 23:37   ` tmoran
2003-10-04 12:55     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 10:55   ` chris
2003-10-04 13:18     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 14:18       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 21:44         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 14:28       ` chris
2003-10-04 22:01         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 22:50           ` chris
2003-10-05 14:41             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04  0:42 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-04  4:23 ` Chad R. Meiners
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