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From: aek@vib.usr.pu.ru (Alexander Kopilovitch)
Subject: Re: What evil would happen?
Date: 14 Jul 2003 19:32:33 -0700
Date: 2003-07-15T02:32:34+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e2e5731a.0307141832.5f903ab0@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: vh5usmp9ndoc55@corp.supernews.com

Randy Brukardt wrote:

> > What would happen if a procedure could return a value like a function,
> > or a function could accept an out parameter?
>...
>P.S. Do we have to discuss this AGAIN?

Yes, for sure. Just because "there is enough opposition and no hope of
consensus" is not a technical argument. And it isn't an argument at all
outside of the ARG.

Hyman Rosen wrote:

>That's the price to be paid for continuing
>to allow the mulish and senseless opposition
>to keep its roadblock in place.

I am not sure that this is "mulish and senseless" opposition, but the fact is
that this is the silent opposition. There was outbreak of that discussion in
Ada-Comment (past year, I think), and within that discussion I reviewed all
arguments (against IN OUT parameters in functions), which was stated in 1993-1995,
and which blocked this feature in Ada 95. But no one seemed interested in
technical discussion: all participated ARG members simply stated their position
- pro and contra. (Most interesting was Robert Dewar's position: he firmly
stated that for all technical reasons IN OUT parameters for functions should
be permitted, but nevertheless, he warned that he will vote against this feature,
because this feature certainly will not gain consensus within ARG.)



Alexander Kopilovitch                      aek@vib.usr.pu.ru
Saint-Petersburg
Russia



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-07-15  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-11 19:51 What evil would happen? Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-11 20:07 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-12 12:30   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-12 17:17     ` Martin Dowie
2003-07-13  1:46     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-13 15:29       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-11 20:08 ` chris.danx
2003-07-12  4:31   ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-12 12:26     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-12 12:39       ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-12 13:11         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-12 13:22           ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-12 19:04             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-14  8:43               ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-14 10:32                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-14 11:05                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-14 11:31                   ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                   ` <slrnbh53ir.48d.Organization: LJK Software <zSeTW0M3CTPU@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-07-14 17:31                     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-13 15:26             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-13 17:28               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-07-13 22:35                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-14  0:06                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-07-13 22:36                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-14  3:01                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-14  4:41                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-07-14 23:32                   ` [ot] languages & academia was " chris.danx
2003-07-14  9:09                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-14 17:44                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-07-14 18:15                     ` tmoran
2003-07-15  8:06                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-11 21:26 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-12 12:38   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-16  0:07     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-16  8:11       ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-14 18:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-14 20:12   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-15  2:32   ` Alexander Kopilovitch [this message]
2003-07-15  8:19   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-15 17:33     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-16  0:22       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-16  8:36       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-15  5:16 ` Kenneth Almquist
2003-07-15 11:31   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-18  8:23 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-07-18 14:45   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-19  0:55   ` Robert I. Eachus
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2003-07-11 23:04 Beard, Frank Randolph CIV
2003-07-12 12:46 ` Wojtek Narczynski
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